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[Marco]

Craine herself has admitted she doesn't have stable triple toe loop technique.

That's unfortunate. She is going to be quite disadvantaged if she has edge and UR issues on the harder triples and then can't even land the easier triples well. Before you provided this information I kept thinking perhaps a 3sal3toe or 2axel3toe would be good for her.

 

[Orm Irian]

Craine herself has admitted she doesn't have stable triple toe loop technique.

I assume this is why she's tended to prefer the 3Lo+2/3Lo in the SP - nice way to make a virtue of a necessity if so!

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

I've just checked the pairs' short program starting order for the Warsaw Cup, and Alexandrovskaya & Windsor are no longer listed. A shame, because it is a competition they would likely have won.

They've really had a rough go of it the past few seasons. I wonder if we'll see them at the national championships in a few weeks.

 

[RoseRed]

I've just checked the pairs' short program starting order for the Warsaw Cup, and Alexandrovskaya & Windsor are no longer listed. A shame, because it is a competition they would likely have won.

They've really had a rough go of it the past few seasons. I wonder if we'll see them at the national championships in a few weeks.

Calalang/Johnson have a SB over 180, which they got with multiple mistakes, so I don't know about that. Pepeleva/Pleshkov also have a SB a couple points higher than A/W's and Hocke/Kunkel's is one point below, both with junior programs (lower bv). It's not a bad event for mid GP.

I'm disappointed A/W aren't going to be there though. Hopefully they're in better shape for 4CCs and Worlds.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Calalang/Johnson have a SB over 180, which they got with multiple mistakes, so I don't know about that. Pepeleva/Pleshkov also have a SB a couple points higher than A/W's and Hocke/Kunkel's is one point below, both with junior programs (lower bv). It's not a bad event for mid GP.

I'm disappointed A/W aren't going to be there though. Hopefully they're in better shape for 4CCs and Worlds.

Sorry, I meant to clarify if they had skated a clean event.

 

[RoseRed]

Sorry, I meant to clarify if they had skated a clean event.

Oh yeah, sure. I'm just keeping expectation low for them right now while they back their feet back.

 

[barbarafan]

is the livestream working ok for everyone?
it is fine in canada.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

is the livestream working ok for everyone?
it is fine in canada.

Fine here in Australia.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

An excellent international debut for Holly Harris & Jason Chan. 57.92 points for their RD at the Warsaw Cup, as well as earning them the required minimum World TES score for that portion of competition.

Great to see the livestream video capture just how fast they skate in person.

Holly HARRIS / Jason CHAN AUS RD Warsaw Cup 2019

Holly HARRIS / Jason CHAN AUS RD Warsaw Cup 2019

www.youtube.com

 

[Bunny Hop]

That's great news that they met the minimum (fingers crossed for the Free Dance!). I liked the flow and appearance of effortlessness in their skating.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Holly Harris & Jason Chan earn the free dance TES score at the ISU CS Warsaw Cup.needed for World Championship qualification.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Here is Holly's and Jason's free dance from the ISU CS - Warsaw Cup.

Holly HARRIS / Jason CHAN AUS Free Dance 2019 Warsaw Cup

Holly HARRIS / Jason CHAN AUS Free Dance 2019 Warsaw Cup

www.youtube.com

 

[Orm Irian]

I was trying to figure out what went so wrong with Chantelle and Andrew's character step sequence to get it invalidated - it was obvious what happened to their attempt at that very P/C-like choreo lift, though I wasn't expecting it to be completely invalidated either, but the ChSt had me stumped until I eventually realised that they had one too many choreo elements. They included ChSp, ChSl, ChLi and ChSt, but there are only supposed to be three. How the blazes did their choreographer make that mistake?

 

[RoseRed]

I was trying to figure out what went so wrong with Chantelle and Andrew's character step sequence to get it invalidated - it was obvious what happened to their attempt at that very P/C-like choreo lift, though I wasn't expecting it to be completely invalidated either, but the ChSt had me stumped until I eventually realised that they had one too many choreo elements. They included ChSp, ChSl, ChLi and ChSt, but there are only supposed to be three. How the blazes did their choreographer make that mistake?

Possibly one of those elements was not meant to be a "choreo element" but was just a bit of choreo that the tech panel called an element.

That happened to a couple of teams at Finlandia maybe, where their slide was called earlier and then they entered the slide again but it was invalid. They didn't actually lose any points for the mistake, except GOE because the first 'slide' wasn't as impressive.

Seems like it would be hard to miss a spin or lift (though it sounds like something was weird with the lift so maybe it's meant to be a mini lift that doesn't count for anything?), so maybe the slide? I haven't watched so I don't know.

 

[Orm Irian]

Seems like it would be hard to miss a spin or lift (though it sounds like something was weird with the lift so maybe it's meant to be a mini lift that doesn't count for anything?), so maybe the slide? I haven't watched so I don't know.

The lift was basically an attempt at P/C's low curve lift from their FD last season, definitely not mini, but Chantelle slipped out of it halfway through the curve and then Andrew lost his balance too. I can see the choreo slide having being called incorrectly, though, because there was a brief kneeling movement earlier in the program - that makes more sense than a choreographer brainfart, especially if the same mistake was made in the calling for other pairs too.

That sort of thing is why skaters need to have the ability to challenge certain calls!

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

The lift was basically an attempt at P/C's low curve lift from their FD last season, definitely not mini, but Chantelle slipped out of it halfway through the curve and then Andrew lost his balance too. I can see the choreo slide having being called incorrectly, though, because there was a brief kneeling movement earlier in the program - that makes more sense than a choreographer brainfart, especially if the same mistake was made in the calling for other pairs too.

That sort of thing is why skaters need to have the ability to challenge certain calls!

If nothing else between now and their next event, the team and their coaches should invite a few judges to either look at the marking breakdown from the Warsaw Cup to determine exactly what happened, or skate the routine for some private feedback.

Unlike singles and pairs, sometimes dance does not have clear definition from element to element. Especially when routines are being judged for transitions and choreography, too.

 

[Sylvia]

If nothing else between now and their next event, the team and their coaches should invite a few judges to either look at the marking breakdown from the Warsaw Cup to determine exactly what happened, or skate the routine for some private feedback.

Since their coach, Monica MacDonald, is an ISU technical specialist, I assume this will happen (or has happened, starting in Warsaw).

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Since their coach, Monica MacDonald, is an ISU technical specialist, I assume this will happen (or has happened, starting in Warsaw).

Learning this, it makes me wonder how the construction of their program caused it to be judged that way in the first place. Here's hoping the problem is quickly resolved.

Do Kerry & Dodds have the RD and FS TES needed for World qualification this season?

 

[Sylvia]

Do Kerry & Dodds have the RD and FS TES needed for World qualification this season?

Kerry/Dodds still need the RD score.

33 / 47 are the 2020 Worlds minimums and K/D exceeded the FD min. score at Warsaw Cup last year (52.09) which is when/where they got their RD TES current high score (31.48).

 

[Dobre]

I don't think it's that uncommon to see an extra element called with a debut program. Sometimes it happens when you misperform an element also. (There are a lot of movements in dance where the skate is meant to stay on the ice, for example, and if the lady accidentally takes flight, you can get called for a lift). Stepanova & Bukin had an extra element called in the RD at Worlds in 2018. Often, as in that instance, it doesn't really hurt your score.

We've had a few teams get really hammered, though, when an element meant to be a transition was called as the real element. In which case you get basically nothing for the element because of course the transition doesn't fulfill all the significant criteria & your real element gets zeroed out.

Anyway, this kind of thing is a very good reason to compete early if you can, make adjustments, and go from there. When you have an injury, you still have that process to go through. It's nicer to do it off the radar in the summer or early fall when everyone is experiencing this kind of feedback; but construction issues are not that unusual and this one probably isn't a hard fix.

 

[Orm Irian]

construction issues are not that unusual and this one probably isn't a hard fix.

Not a hard fix, no, but their next competition is the Open d'Andorra, which starts in just a couple of days' time, so the question is will they be able to fix it and get the fix settled in before it affects their score again?

 

[insideedgeua]

Anyway, this kind of thing is a very good reason to compete early if you can, make adjustments, and go from there. When you have an injury, you still have that process to go through. It's nicer to do it off the radar in the summer or early fall when everyone is experiencing this kind of feedback; but construction issues are not that unusual and this one probably isn't a hard fix.

Didn’t they withdraw from Asian Open because she was injured? I’m guessing they lost training time and didn’t get to iron out any early issues. She still looked like she was in pain at this event.

There’s not much time before Andorra for her to recover.

 

[Dobre]

Didn’t they withdraw from Asian Open because she was injured?

My understanding based on posts on FSU is that they missed the first part of the season due to her injury. So my point was that this was their debut performance for the season, and it's usually a process. (Of course most of that process would need to happen after Andorra).

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

With Harris and Chan pre-qualifying for the World Championships, and nationals only a few weeks away,
Kerry & Dodds are running out of time to get that all important Rhythm Dance TES.

 

[Dobre]

With Harris and Chan pre-qualifying for the World Championships, and nationals only a few weeks away,
Kerry & Dodds are running out of time to get that all important Rhythm Dance TES.

If they won Nationals, would they not have until around 4CCs before they were required to meet the TES?

 

[misskarne]

Won't Kerry/Dodds already have the minimums since they competed at Worlds last year?

 

[Dobre]

Won't Kerry/Dodds already have the minimums since they competed at Worlds last year?

The ice dance minimums were all raised for this season. Kerry & Dodds' FD minimum from last season met the new score requirement so they are fine there, but the RD minimum is now 33 and their TES score from last season in the RD was 31.48. They have to raise that score to 33 in order to meet the minimum requirement for this year's Worlds.

 

[Orm Irian]

The ice dance minimums were all raised for this season. Kerry & Dodds' FD minimum from last season met the new score requirement so they are fine there, but the RD minimum is now 33 and their TES score from last season in the RD was 31.48. They have to raise that score to 33 in order to meet the minimum requirement for this year's Worlds.

Matilda and William are in almost (though not quite) the same situation; their 49.04 FD TES from Warsaw Cup last year still squeaks them over the line for the free but their 31.28 in the RD, which would have got them the rhythm dance qualification last year, wasn't enough for this year.

That two-point bump up for the RD minimums has really made things hard for lower-ranking teams. It's not so bad for teams that can get higher GOE on elements even if they don't get their pattern dance levels, but when you're fighting for GOE along with pattern levels it's a big barrier to break.

 

[Dobre]

Yes, the RD is a tough place to earn minimum scores. It is 3/5ths footwork (either in the pattern or the step sequences). Usually the hardest place for teams to earn levels, especially teams that have not trained in the discipline for a long time. And then if you blow your twizzles on top of that, only one lift cannot hold you up.

 

[Sylvia]

If they won Nationals, would they not have until around 4CCs before they were required to meet the TES?

From: https://www.isa.org.au/policies-and-protocols
ISA 03 - International Championship Selection Policy (22 July 2019): https://bddb0f3c-5b25-4fd8-b64c-5ae...d/d9abb7_08fffdae733049b59e3bed368e76c9a2.pdf

4.2 World Championships
(a) Selection for the 2020 ISU World Figure Skating Championships will be allocated to senior
age eligible athletes from the ISA Senior International Pool who:
(i) have achieved the ISU Minimum Technical Scores for 2020 World Figure
Skating Championships at a Senior International Event as listed on the
ISU Calendar by the completion of the Four Continents Championships
2020.
...
If more than one (1) athlete in each discipline has met the above requirements, athletes
will be ranked and selected based on the athletes total TES achieved at two (2) Senior
ISU Championships or ISU International Events during the current International Skating
Season.

ETA the combined TES at Warsaw Cup:

Holly HARRIS / Jason CHAN 86.22
Chantelle KERRY / Andrew DODDS 71.86