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Of course, she would want to quit using any chemical straighteners during pregnancy. There are other less harsh hair-straightening methods, including blow-drying and good old hot irons/ hot combs.

There is no problem using chemical straightening during pregnancy and I would be shocked if she stopped. On the subject of due dates, I suspect Meghan is further along than 12 weeks. My guess is the announcement was held off as long as possible so as not to upstage Eugenie. JMHO
 

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There is no problem using chemical straightening during pregnancy and I would be shocked if she stopped. On the subject of due dates, I suspect Meghan is further along than 12 weeks. My guess is the announcement was held off as long as possible so as not to upstage Eugenie. JMHO

Actually, the 12 weeks along was tweeted by a royal reporter as having come indirectly from a KP press officer. :)
Reporters are not always accurate but they do have access to more info than KP directly reports to the public. Going by that estimate, the baby may be due by end of April or early May. Likely KP will follow-up at some point with the anticipated birth month, or not.
https://twitter.com/emynash/status/1051739584210571265
https://twitter.com/emynash/status/1051742904253906944

Every pregnant woman should consult with their doctor about all manner of precautions to take during pregnancy before barrelling ahead with their usual routines. It's advisable to watch what one eats and be sure to avoid all kinds of hazardous chemicals (including proximity to cigarette smoke -- it goes w/o saying to never smoke oneself, regardless of pregnancy). I would take guidance from experts, and not casual conversation/advice from friends or strangers. ;)

https://ninenaturals.com/blogs/news/the-straight-story-on-hair-straightening-during-pregnancy
"While many women enjoy getting their hair straightened using a method called Keratin Straightening (otherwise known as the 'Brazilian Blowout'), it is wise to consult your doctor before booking your next appointment at the salon. Most physicians will tell you to avoid it altogether or during the first trimester at least. Simply put, the harsh chemicals used in straightening serums may be absorbed through your scalp during treatments and passed along to your growing baby."

More from Emily Nash in Australia re a blurb from Harry about Invictus:
https://twitter.com/AustralianStory/status/1051760339606417408
 
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With all the babies, new thread: "Brits Be Banging!" lol

There were suspicions about Meghan's pregnancy because she wore her hair in a different style recently. Apparently one of Kate's 'tricks' to ward off pregnancy rumours is to style her hair differently than usual, to pull the focus away. A few weeks ago, Meghan's hairstyle was different than usual. Also, that ruffled dress from a few weeks ago didn't help things either. (New to the thread - I'm sure this has been discussed).

In any case, I hope she has a safe, healthy pregnancy.
 

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If the Queen choses not to style H&M's baby with the title of Prince/Princess & they have other baby(s) after Charles becomes King the subsequent baby(s) would be entitled to that title which would not be cool IMO. So I imagine H&M would refuse Prince/Princess for all their children.

I sincerely doubt that she was pregnant at her wedding but I'll bet all the old crones will be counting.
 

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If the Queen choses not to style H&M's baby with the title of Prince/Princess & they have other baby(s) after Charles becomes King the subsequent baby(s) would be entitled to that title which would not be cool IMO. So I imagine H&M would refuse Prince/Princess for all their children.

All of Prince Harry's offspring are entitled to be styled Prince/Princess upon their grandfather's (Prince Charles') accession to the throne. That is unless (Letters Patent) LP are specifically issued to change the way that ruling currently stands. LP were issued prior to the birth of Prince William's first child allowing for his offspring to be styled as Prince/Princess at birth, and allowing for any female child of the Cambridges to be in line for the throne ahead of any subsequently born male siblings.

Therefore, unless LP are issued prior to the birth of M&H's firstborn stating otherwise, he/she will be styled Lord/Lady as a matter of course, and nothing further may be said about it until Prince Charles accedes to the throne. And even then, no issue may be made re changing titles at that point. We simply don't know until we find out. But it's helpful to understand the royal rules that are currently in place.

I would be surprised if M&H are at all concerned about their children necessarily having to be styled as Prince/Princess. :p Harry struggled with bearing the title. Princess Anne did not want her children to be burdened with any titles whatsoever. Or perhaps it was just that she didn't want her first husband to be titled. ;) Who knows. :D BTW, even the Cambridges are fully cognizant of the burden inherent with a young child being saddled with a princely title. Prince George is simply known as George Cambridge at school, for a reason.

I sincerely doubt that she was pregnant at her wedding but I'll bet all the old crones will be counting.

:lol: Not even close. Meghan is speculated to be around 12 weeks pregnant, give or take a week or so, eh. That's nowhere close to her having conceived before the wedding. She would have been showing a lot way before now. :p

Also, that ruffled dress from a few weeks ago didn't help things either.

I now think that dress was strategically ruffled on purpose. ;) If Meghan were not a member of the British royal family, she would be sharing at least some of the details with her fans on her Tig and Instagram. :( Understandably, both William and Harry are hypersensitive regarding the media and seem determined to protectively guard every aspect of their personal lives, almost to a fault. But I guess, who could blame them.
 
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If the Queen choses not to style H&M's baby with the title of Prince/Princess & they have other baby(s) after Charles becomes King the subsequent baby(s) would be entitled to that title which would not be cool IMO. So I imagine H&M would refuse Prince/Princess for all their children.

I sincerely doubt that she was pregnant at her wedding but I'll bet all the old crones will be counting.

Per the changes made by George V, grandchildren of the monarch are not automatically styled with HRH or Prince/princess. Those titles must be granted. It was granted to Andrew's daughters, but Edward declined it. (And rumor has it that Andrew requested it and the Queen granted it as he has always been her favorite--she likely didn't consider the precedent being set). Anne's children do not have titles at all and Margaret's were titled as Lord and Lady based on their father's title. Children of the monarch are automatically styled Prince or Princess which is likely why the titles were granted to Charlotte and Louis at birth even though they were not automatic while their father is a Duke and second in line.

It's all rather complicated.

Reliable sources have indicated that Charles intends to streamline the Firm by limiting the number of titles and full time working royals. If he truly intends to, then it would make the most sense for Harry's children to be styled as the children of a duke which would make an eldest son the Earl of Dumbarton (courtesy title from one of Harry's lesser titles), younger ones Lord (name) and daughters Lady (Name) Mountbatten-Windsor. It would also mean that like Beatrice and Eugenie and later Louise and James, Harry's children will be expected to have day jobs and live more normal lives.
 

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I now think that dress was strategically ruffled on purpose.
Oh absolutely. But if she was that concerned about what she was wearing that long ago, she must have started to show extremely early. since according to the internet (which is, of course, perfectly trustworthy about everything) most first-time moms start to show at around the 12 week mark (with a bump starting around 14-16 weeks). I know people were on 'bump watch' basically since they got together, then engaged, then married (basically any time they're out in public), but unless she began showing extremely early, her fashion choices kind of fuelled the talk very early (especially since she wore it at the beginning of September - about 5 or 6 weeks ago when she only would have been 7ish weeks along).

As for titles, I wouldn't be surprised if they got Prince/Princess, but I don't know how much they'll really care. Harry has said that nobody really wants to be in charge of the monarchy, so I don't think that titles are the priority. I kind of think though, that if people lower in the line have the title (Beatrice, Eugenie), then Harry's kids, who will be higher up, will get them too.
 

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since she wore it at the beginning of September - about 5 or 6 weeks ago when she only would have been 7ish weeks along).

At 7 weeks you have actually only been pregnant for 5 because they start counting based on your last period and women tend to be fertile mid cycle. I have no doubt she is further along. It would be terrible having everyone watching and waiting like Kate was with George. Say 12 weeks when she is really 14 or 16 and it throws off the people calculating the due date. Makes total sense to me. Also, given Meghan’s age I have no doubt they started trying on the honeymoon! Conception gets more difficult after 35.
 

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Oh absolutely. But if she was that concerned about what she was wearing that long ago, she must have started to show extremely early, since according to the internet (which is, of course, perfectly trustworthy about everything) most first-time moms start to show at around the 12 week mark (with a bump starting around 14-16 weeks).

Well, she knew she was pregnant then, and we didn't. Being aware of it and conscious of it may have been a factor in her strategic ruffling on the Wu dress. And now that I think about it, Duchess Meghan also has been looking somewhat bustier, if you get my drift. ;) Let's also not forget the cute designer top with a flared peblum and huge bow at the waist, that Meghan wore to throw basketballs around with Harry at some event in a gymnasium awhile back. :p

... It would also mean that like Beatrice and Eugenie and later Louise and James, Harry's children will be expected to have day jobs and live more normal lives.

Yay, hurrah hurrah for them, and for Zara and Peter too. They get to be on the inside of the royal firm and lead 'normal lives' too! Sounds cool to me. :D Tee hee, as 'normal' as they possibly can, which ain't your regular normal, I'd say. Anyway, getting to have M&H as royal parents and George and Charlotte as princely/princessy cousins also sounds like a barrel of fun, fun, fun. :40beers: And that Savannah Phillips seems to have an absolute gem of a personality. She and Prince George would make a great comedy duo, no kidding. :D
 

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Apologies if this has been posted:

https://youtu.be/h_InbIkg2xY

Meghan is looking great! Love the dress.

The dress is indeed quite pretty on Meghan (and it's white/cream, a choice in her usual go-to monochrome color palette). It looks great for the occasion and the weather. It's fairly close-fitting but she doesn't show much of a bump yet, if any. I do detect that she's put on more weight in her hips apparently, unsurprisingly. And likely also in her bust area.

Getting back to the whole Prince/Princess debate, tbh, it was Prince Andrew who wanted his daughters to have the title. Prince Andrew as the third child, from all reports, was somewhat favored and thus spoiled. It's not unusual to spoil younger children in a family, as the parents are older and more relaxed, and also may be in a position to spend more time and attention with younger children, which was likely the case for QEII and Pip with their third and fourth children.

Prince Andrew is fairly full of himself I think. However, he seems to be a pleasant enough character when he's not being grumpy. He seemed especially genial and carefree in his younger days. He may have been a bit scarred by not being allowed to marry Koo Stark (who apparently was not actually a full-blown porn star, though she was labelled as such because one of her first film roles unfortunately involved removing her clothes). Fergie seemed to be perfect for Andrew when she came along, but unfortunately she did not grow into the role. She was vastly unsuitable in managing the pressures, and not bright or savvy enough to make the right decisions or to navigate the booby traps inherent in becoming a member of the British royal family.

In any case, Bea and Eugenie did not ask for their titles, they've just always had the titles and wouldn't know what it's like not to be styled as Princesses. However, having the titles did present them with a lot of unwanted OTT attention and scrutiny from the media when they were awkward teenagers and young adults in their twenties. If they didn't have the titles though from birth, I do not think they would have missed being called Princesses. But then there would have been less reasons for Eugenie to have her wedding televised. I'm glad it was televised, as royal weddings are fun. All weddings are fun, but especially Brtish royal weddings. :)
 

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William & Harry are a different circumstance than Beatrice & Eugenie. No one needed to ask the Queen to style them as Prince as children of the heir. I read months ago from a reliable source that if H&M had children before Charles was king their children wouldn't have the Prince or Princess title (unless the Queen decreed it) but if they waited until Charles was king they would. So it's possible they could have Lord Whatsit for 1st child & Princess Whoever for 2nd child. Of course, in that scenario they would probably refuse it for future children. In fact, I doubt they would want their children to hold that title.
 

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Conception gets more difficult after 35.

Maybe not as much if you're supremely healthy, consciously eat right, are superbly fit, and have been practicing yoga from the age of seven, and have a Mom as nurturing, loving, cool and rock-solid supportive as Doria Ragland to boot. :kickass: Also, Duchess Meghan has the mucho moolah, husband attentiveness and British royal family prestige to have the best darn medical care that exists in this world. No reason to be worried at all. It's also possible (as the Emma Weymouth article I linked earlier describes) for Meghan to have her eggs frozen for later in vitro fertilization with Harry's sperm, if they wish to do so at a later date. That is because in the lab, the healthiest eggs can be selected for fertilization. I feel certain that Meghan/Harry's health and fertility has been ensured and monitored prior to them working on conceiving a baby. We've heard about Prince Harry stopping smoking and drinking, and getting in shape before his marriage to Meghan. That's not a coincidence.

There's all kinds of avenues for older women in this medically-advanced modern age. And frankly, 37 is NOT old these days. I mean personally I am gobsmacked that Janet Jackson actually gave birth to a baby at the age of 50. She went through a normal pregnancy and gave birth, with no surrogacy involved! :eek:
 

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William & Harry are a different circumstance than Beatrice & Eugenie. No one needed to ask the Queen to style them as Prince as children of the heir. I read months ago from a reliable source that if H&M had children before Charles was king their children wouldn't have the Prince or Princess title (unless the Queen decreed it) but if they waited until Charles was king they would. So it's possible they could have Lord Whatsit for 1st child & Princess Whoever for 2nd child. Of course, in that scenario they would probably refuse it for future children. In fact, I doubt they would want their children to hold that title.

I'm not sure about your 'reliable source,' but I believe previous posts from several posters on this topic have explained based on actual British monarchy reference sources that all of Harry's children will be entitled to Prince/Princess title upon Prince Charles' accession to the throne if he so desires and M&H also agree. But as for now, unless Letters Patent are issued to allow for someting different prior to Meghan giving birth, her & Harry's baby will be titled Lord/Lady upon birth. It is possible for the title to change when Prince Charles becomes King. However, it's more likely that a definitive decision will be made by Harry/Meghan, Charles and QEII before the birth of M&H's first child.

Of course, there was no question that William and Harry would be styled as Princes, being sons of the PofW and thus in direct line to the throne. But Andrew's and Edward's children were also entitled to have Prince/Princess title, except that in Edward's case, a decision was made to give his children Lord/Lady title, and Edward will also be styled Duke of Edinburgh upon his father's passing, by QEII or by Prince Charles if QEII has passed and Charles is King.
 

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Australia seems to be taking credit for the baby news. :lol:
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/6d93a080b502174a45dfb7fc1d680f8a?width=1024

And now in hindsight, there are posts about a couple of reactions by Harry to the crowd in Sussex, that are very telling, particularly after the fact:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo983USlHx9/ Someone in the crowd asks about the new baby and throws Harry for a loop, until he realizes they are asking about Prince Louis :p
In another clip, Harry gestures to the crowd and says with a huge smile, "So many babies..." A dead giveaway.

This account appears to be copying Gary Janetti:
https://twitter.com/Trendsonfire4/status/1051743345398157312

And oh man, Gary Janetti as his alter ego, Prince George, is certifiable. I'm not sure KP would be very happy at some of these mean, yet hilarious posts with pics of cute George. In fact, Gary Janetti as George was on top of the Sussex baby news in early September: https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZgHWaBr0g/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti :lol:

But again, some of these belly laugh posts are mean, and it's not just targeting any one royal, it's all of them: Prince George against the world!
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo9slzVHgwb/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti :rofl:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo9Xh3anagB/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo4n5lAHU2i/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo2I_r2nIlp/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo1nEhYnNiX/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo1xm3EH1UU/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti
https://www.instagram.com/p/BouIfw5HN-S/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti
Oh boy, the trashy sister stopped by BP, not KP:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoxQvaYHumx/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti :lol:
Oh my, this pic on so many levels! And the caption is too much:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bor-fKlH_bu/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti

One has to do a double take at the for real news headline, especially the year!
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bor3RO8Ht_A/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti

Oh no: https://www.instagram.com/p/BozozqFHu_g/?hl=en&taken-by=garyjanetti :rofl:
 

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I wonder if Doria Ragland was told by Meghan when she visited last month - Mom's are usually the first person - after the husband - that a woman usually tells especially as they are as close as Meghan and her Mother seem to be. If so that would have been a delicious secret to keep to herself and she made such a lovely statement when the announcement was made. I also wonder if Doria will look to move to London temporarily for a year or so to be there and support Meghan during and after her pregnancy as well as bond with her first grandchild.
 

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(And rumor has it that Andrew requested it and the Queen granted it as he has always been her favorite--she likely didn't consider the precedent being set).

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

He may have been a bit scarred by not being allowed to marry Koo Stark (who apparently was not actually a full-blown porn star, though she was labelled as such because one of her first film roles unfortunately involved removing her clothes).

Whoa, there's a name from the distant past! For those interested in what she's been up to, her Wiki page is detailed. And yeah, she wasn't ever a porn star:

In another libel action in 2007, Stark won an apology and substantial damages from Zoo Weekly magazine, which had described her as a porn star. She commented "I am relieved that my name has been cleared of this false, highly damaging and serious allegation which has been proved to be completely untrue."
 

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I wonder if Doria Ragland was told by Meghan when she visited last month - Mom's are usually the first person - after the husband - that a woman usually tells especially as they are as close as Meghan and her Mother seem to be. If so that would have been a delicious secret to keep to herself and she made such a lovely statement when the announcement was made. I also wonder if Doria will look to move to London temporarily for a year or so to be there and support Meghan during and after her pregnancy as well as bond with her first grandchild.

Doria was spotted going into a "Nanny" class out in LA recently, before the news broke so there is now speculation that she is moving to London to be a full-time grandma. I would think that is a possibility as that happens all the time with families.
 

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Maybe not as much if you're supremely healthy, consciously eat right, are superbly fit, and have been practicing yoga from the age of seven, and have a Mom as nurturing, loving, cool and rock-solid supportive as Doria Ragland to boot.

Wow, this is dismissive of the very real and varied ways perfectly healthy women can struggle with infertility. Gee, when it took me two years to conceive at the age of 37/38 I guess I should have just told my mom to be more supportive.
 

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I'm not sure about your 'reliable source,' but I believe previous posts from several posters on this topic have explained based on actual British monarchy reference sources that all of Harry's children will be entitled to Prince/Princess title upon Prince Charles' accession to the throne if he so desires and M&H also agree. But as for now, unless Letters Patent are issued to allow for someting different prior to Meghan giving birth, her & Harry's baby will be titled Lord/Lady upon birth. It is possible for the title to change when Prince Charles becomes King. However, it's more likely that a definitive decision will be made by Harry/Meghan, Charles and QEII before the birth of M&H's first child.

Of course, there was no question that William and Harry would be styled as Princes, being sons of the PofW and thus in direct line to the throne. But Andrew's and Edward's children were also entitled to have Prince/Princess title, except that in Edward's case, a decision was made to give his children Lord/Lady title, and Edward will also be styled Duke of Edinburgh upon his father's passing, by QEII or by Prince Charles if QEII has passed and Charles is King.

Why are you just repeating what I said? Rephrasing doesn't give new information.

BTW it has been explained by others that Andrew's & Edward's children were not entitled to the Prince/Princess title. as PDelimma said above: (And rumor has it that Andrew requested it and the Queen granted it as he has always been her favorite--she likely didn't consider the precedent being set).
 

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Congrats to Pippa and James and I'm glad their little boy has arrived safely. Lots of boys in the Middleton/Matthews family with Charlotte being the only girl--she must love that!
 

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From Wikipedia:

Since George V's Letters Patent of 30 November 1917,[1] the title "Princess" and the use of the style "Royal Highness" has generally been restricted to the following persons:
  • the legitimate daughters of a British sovereign,
  • the legitimate male line granddaughters of a British sovereign,
  • the wife of a British prince.[2][3]


From birth, as the male line granddaughters of the sovereign, Beatrice and Eugenie were entitled to the title Princess. Andrew did not have to request it specially for them. Prince Edward's children (Louise and James) are also entitled to the Prince/Princess title, but Edward and Sophie chose to have them use "lesser" titles as the children of an earl (Edward's title given at the time of his marriage). Anne's children are not entitled to those titles, as the children of a female line, they were only entitled to whatever they would derive from their father (Princess Anne's first husband, Mark Phillips, who declined the Queen's offer of a title when he married Anne).

Edited to add the actual text from the Letters Patent:

Now Know Ye that We of our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion do hereby declare our Royal Will and Pleasure that the children of any Sovereign of these Realms and the children of the sons of any such Sovereign and the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall have and at all times hold and enjoy the style title or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names or with their other titles of honour

That bit about the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales is what was recently changed, so that all children of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales have the same title. Harry's children are not entitled to the same titles until Charles becomes king (then they will fall under the children of sons of the sovereign).
 

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Why are you just repeating what I said? Rephrasing doesn't give new information.

BTW it has been explained by others that Andrew's & Edward's children were not entitled to the Prince/Princess title. as PDelimma said above: (And rumor has it that Andrew requested it and the Queen granted it as he has always been her favorite--she likely didn't consider the precedent being set).

PDelimma is wrong. @MLIS has explained above why that is. It was actually Edwards request that his kids not be known as Princess or Prince that was allowed by the Queen. And as an aside I though it was Edward who was her favourite not Andrew.
 

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I feel certain that Meghan/Harry's health and fertility has been ensured and monitored prior to them working on conceiving a baby. We've heard about Prince Harry stopping smoking and drinking, and getting in shape before his marriage to Meghan. That's not a coincidence.

There's all kinds of avenues for older women in this medically-advanced modern age. And frankly, 37 is NOT old these days.

First, there is no way to ensure Meghan could get pregnant. Testing doesn’t work that way. Having been through it all I can assure you it is nothing like what you see on TV. They could test Harry, although I highly doubt that happened. 37 is old for having children. That doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but facts are facts no matter your opinion to the contrary. Yes there are many scientific advances, but that doesn’t change the fact that is it usually significantly more difficult to get pregnant in your late 30’s than it is in your teens or early twenties.

Oh, and all that other stuff about yoga, not really relevant. A healthy diet is important for general health, but crack addicts get pregnant all the time. Comments like yours are similar to victim blaming. Infertility is fairly common and not usually related to anything the woman has done or not done. It is just is.
 
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