Yes but (the all important but), Patricks Sp had him in so much of a lead, andif Dennis could have just done that one more jump, etc etc. Personally I think the penalty for a fall should be the jump value not included at all, plus at least a 2 - 3 point penalty. Then with one fall, if the skater is truly as gifted a skater as Chan is (and I truly believe he is the greatest male skater there has ever been. Skater, not just jumper) it would be so very much harder to win that first place with an unclean skate. I must say I was more offended by Caro's silver a few years ago at worlds when she looked like Bambi trying out her new legs on a frozen pond (an FSU posters comment), and even more by Laura Lepisto's bronze with only two triples and a whole bunch of doubles. What sort of World medalist does those items. CHeers.