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Yuna Kim announces new programs for 2013-14 season

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. all_empty

    all_empty Well-Known Member

    Not sure...it looks like she was going for these 4 features:

    Change of edge on camel
    Difficult sit variation
    Difficult upright variation
    All three basic positions on both feet

    The change of edge wasn't very clear, so I can see that not counting.

    Both difficult variations were held for (just) two rotations, which I believe counts.

    And she definitely hit all three basic positions on both feet.

    So I'm puzzled by the call, too. Perhaps a technical specialist can help.
  2. inskate

    inskate Well-Known Member

    Not a technical specialist, but in the 1st sit spin Yuna's backside was above the knee level and the upper part of her leg wasn't parallel to the ice or lower (the second sit spin looked suspicious as well, but in the video I have it's difficult to tell for sure due to the camera position). It also looked as if she lost the camel position (her free leg knee dropped below the hip level) while doing the inside camel, and in result the first position (and the change of edge) might not have counted.
  3. Shaia

    Shaia Active Member

    I can't stop watching this program. She is so exquisite and beautiful. Also, is it me or her first 3Lutz HUMONGOUS, even by her standard? Maybe that's why she fell, coz it was so big.
  4. Eladola

    Eladola Active Member

    Honestly i enjoyed her FS practice more than the FS itself here .

    Really love her outfit though
  5. Robeye

    Robeye Curiously curious

    It looked like the program was undergoing the teething problems of a first performance, particularly after insufficient preparation following injury.

    She looked somewhat tight, the choreographic action not quite broken in, and she admitted that falling on her first jump pass, her money 3-3 combo, rattled her a bit. She did not have her usual pop and burnish in most areas, including jumps, spins, steps, and rhythmic precision. It was, in short, a bit of an off day.

    But I personally think that this program has huge upside, both in scoring potential, and ability to wow the audience. But she needs more training time and another competitive outing. It is reasonable to think that these issues would make themselves more apparent in the Long Program, and I think that was the case here.

    Fortunately, according to reports on her latest interviews in Korea today, Yuna is strongly hinting at the possibility of competing again, probably at Korean Nationals, before Sochi. They will be held January 3-5. She was pretty firm in discounting the possibility of a 4CC appearance, as being way too close to the Olympics.

    I am hopeful that we will see her again in early January, and, further, that we will see very significant progress by then. :)
  6. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure I believe that.
    I suspect that there is enormous pressure/expectation from her Fed.; and many others, in Korea, and beyond

    I'd like to think that she could simply "enjoy" the experience and not be " disappointed"/considered to have failed in some way, if she doesn't win another OGM.
    However, I doubt it.
  7. Robeye

    Robeye Curiously curious

    The question of whether Yuna can successfully shield herself from being sucked into the vortex of all the various public expectations and pressures is going to be a critical one, IMO.

    On the one hand, the fact that she's the reigning champ makes expectations greater (although I personally beiieve that the public pressure to win, as distinct from expectations, is nowhere near as great as for Vancouver, simply because 2010 was breaking uncharted ground). On the other hand, it's possible that, having already won, she won't put as much pressure on herself.

    However, when reading interviews with champion athletes in other sports, a sentiment that I have seen so regularly that it is almost like a refrain: the first time is always the hardest. Winning The Big One, they seem to imply, is almost a learned ability in itself.

    Yuna was manifestly successful in navigating these waters in 2010. I am hoping that experience will stand her in good stead in Sochi.
  8. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

    I guess it's a kind of PC answer for her at this point.
  9. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    Kim had Orser and distance leading into Vancouver. She's faced whatever pressures since last year without a high-profie coach and at home. She seems like a tough cookie, and it's understandable that she wants to take Sochi on her own terms.
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  10. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

    I found this cool fancam of her SP practice. Apparently it was filmed with super slow-motion feature and it really shows the quality of Yuna's every move on ice:swoon:

    My only wish for Yuna is that she skates through her last season with every bit of passion she has in her and leave no regrets. She really deserves that.
  11. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

    But, wouldn't it be the way for all the top skaters in the world? They all have their own pressure from federations and themselves. They all say they want no regrets and just look forward to doing everything they can do out there, trying not to think about the pressure. Only thing that stands out in Yuna's status is that she has OGM.
    Even though it may not be the happiest moment for her/KSU/fans/compatriats if she doesn't win at Sochi, hopefully that's not the worst thing in the world.

    I'm inclined to agree with this. There's no denying that just pretty much everything seemed to help Yuna's run for OGM in 2010--Orser was great in handling and distancing the pressure, she was training in Canada, surrounded by foreigners 24/7 who certainly knew what to do with her skating. In a way, this is a challenge and another chance for her to prove herself; how she can manage every aspect of her career/skating and how she can set herself apart from the rest of the field just by training at home where nobody is used to dealing with high-profile skaters.
    Seriously, when I watch team Yuna at kiss and cry zone, I can't help thinking "What would those coaches be thinking about those scores Yuna get? That LP score of hers alone is much much higher than any other skater's total scores they've ever trained!"
  12. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

    But those were her original coaches, right? She got her jump technique from them?
  13. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

    Yes. And she left them for Canadians at the beginning of her senior career. If she stayed home, I don't think she would have had the success and development she has now. Much better environment and connection helped her a lot. Most of all, Orser knew how to protect and speak for his students and David and Tracy Wilson were much involved in her training therefore helping her progress more effectively.
  14. bek

    bek Guest

    Kim's skate at worlds last year was probably her best ever so I think her coaches know what they are doing. I am more worried about judging feedback.

    Plus maybe she wants to be at home with friends and family. Maybe to she wants some Korean coaches to gain this experience.
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  15. AxelAnnie

    AxelAnnie Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the link. I was underwhelmed. I hope it was just a funky skate for her.

    And for the record.............I think Yu-Na's SP is sublime. I think she is in a league of her own. I never dreamed she could make this kind of come back. So, back to my original: I hope it was just a funky skate.
  16. Dr.Siouxs

    Dr.Siouxs Well-Known Member

    Yu-Na's SP is my favorite that she's ever done....:swoon:
  17. eternitygoddess

    eternitygoddess Well-Known Member

    Or at this point, she knows what she's doing and those two coaches are just there to provide support here and there. IMO, Les Miserables falls short of Gershwin.

    I do wish she was still with Orser for these upcoming Olympics (prob. going to get flamed by some users for this comment). I just get the sense that her 2010 season was more smoothly and efficiently run on all fronts, from physical condition to costumes to music cut to choreography, etc.
  18. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

    How quickly you forget the YUNABOMB! Which came on the heels of Orser referring to her as invincible or something like that in an interview.
  19. bek

    bek Guest

    I'm not saying Kim wouldn't be better of with Orser. However, I want to point out that I thought Kim looked calmer at Worlds last year than she did before....

    I don't think its fair to say these coaches know nothing. They were the ones who taught her to skate, its not nothing. She came to Brian with great skating skills and beautiful jumping technique that were instilled by her Korean coaches.

    There's also the fact that there's no language barrier as well as there had to have been between her and Brian. I know Kim mentioned in article that she might go to a foreign coach for the Olympic year, so I think she definitely considered this. Then worlds went as well as it did. She may have felt why fix what is clearly not broken.

    I think the trajectory for her is maybe like last years competition. Slowly building to the Olympics...

    Maybe she'd be better of with Brian or a foreign coach, I don't know. But its not like she's being coached by a ballet dancer! She has real figure skating coaches who clearly know something about skating.
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  20. pat decaro

    pat decaro Member

    I agree, bek. Her childhood and current coaches deserve a lot of credit. They helped her build excellent techniques during her formative years. More, she had developed into a remarkable performer already during her junior years, before she moved to Canada for training.

    She looked comfortable during the last Worlds in London Canada, with her current Korean coaches who guided her since she wore her first pair of skates. It will be a very special moment for Yuna and her coaches to be together at the final competitive event of her career.
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  21. Dyu

    Dyu New Member

    I remember Yuna's interview when she decided to come back. She said after she came back to Korea and have been training w/ Korean skaters and coaches, she's thought she could do competitions more if she keeps training in Korea. Training out of Korea was so tough in mental-wise to Yuna and she felt lonely as her life was just full of only training and a dull monochrome life. She really wanted to be at home and be with her family and friends.

    Now she can enjoy her training more with Korean skaters/coaches and spend her time with her family and friends after training/on weekend. So psychically, it's very helpful to Yuna I believe and training in Korea highly motivated her to come back to competitions. This also seems obvious when she interviewd with Kurt Browning in CBC at last Worlds.

    So Yuna needed someone who help mentally rather than technically to compete (but I think she improved her tech too since she back to Korea :D) and her current coaches have been doing great job.
  22. bek

    bek Guest

    Exactly maybe she would be more successful with a more experienced coach; however at this point it's wise to think of what makes her happy including having an outside of skating life.
  23. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think Yuna tried too hard on the lutz, and it ended up being too big to control (even for her standards), so it looked like she couldn't find the ice with her landing foot and fell instead.
  24. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    I feel very uncomfortable with people belittling Kim Yu-Na's coaching team. Those are her original coaches who have taught her the excellent jump technique that she has.

    I have seen Kim Yu-Na live at her first international competition (JGP Budapest). She had proper basics from the start and it's her original coaches that are responsible for that.
  25. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    Orser never claimed to be responsible for her technique; IIRC he gave full credit to her coaches. They may have contributed to her tendency to be injury-prone through overtraining, but that could have been an issue with her mother and/or internalized perfectionism.

    Four-seven years ago, she needed Orser to help her deal with competitive pressure and to stop her from overtraining and to take care of her body. He and David Wilson concentrated on performance aspects and pacing through a season. It was important for her at the time to be out of Korea and away from the Korean media.

    Based on last year's results and with several years of show behind her, she's shown that that kind of oversight is not what she needs, and she's taken another approach.
  26. Robeye

    Robeye Curiously curious

    Wow, Ziggy, you were one of those that were there at creation, as it were. Care to share any thoughts, even brief impressions, on what she was like then compared to now? Thanks. :)

    And I agree with you on the quality of her coaches Ryu and Shin. I think that, in certain ways, she is actually better now than she was in Vancouver. Look at the jumps, for example. At London Worlds, which was on Ryu and Shin's watch, her jumps were a shocking, improbable combination of power, control, liquid ease, and could have been displayed in a Braun industrial museum to demonstrate the aesthetics of form following function. Those qualities were still very much evident at Golden Spin, despite Yuna not yet being in top form.

    There are other skaters in the current ladies field capable of exhibiting a very great quality in their jumps (Caro would be an obvious candidate), but I would argue that no one quite matches Yuna's ability to create the impression that she was born for flight, with the flick of a wing.
  27. Sasha'sSpins

    Sasha'sSpins Well-Known Member

    I'm not prepared to ring the doomsday bell on Yuna just yet. This is her first competition back since being injured - and even with two below par performances an international judging panel was still prepared to hand her (and did) HUGE scores in both programs. She's only going to get better within these next two months imo.

    That being said - I'm not in love with her programs just yet but I may change my mind if she skates both lights out at Sochi (or before). I don't care for her SP dress, it reminds me of a canary but it's my understanding from reports that the dress is a work in progress. Frankly, whatever she wears doesn't really matter - it's what she lays down on the day especially jump-wise.
    What does GFB stand for?
    You seem to keep repeating in your posts that Yuna 'still hasn't won a major event since the Olympics'. This is flat-out wrong. You mention 2013 Worlds so you contradicted yourself in the same breath. For the record - Yuna Kim DID win a major event 'since the Olympics' - 2013 Worlds. And she rolled over the competition at that event like a tank. And she did it decisively in the year before the Olympics. 'Nuff said.

    Are you for real? Since when does winning a World Championship, ESPECIALLY in the year before the Olympics not matter? You're making no sense whatsoever.
    The only thing I can fault Yuna's early coaches with is not teaching her a good layback spin - and to point her feet! Other than that, they did amazing. It also helped of course that they had such a gifted athlete to work with!
  28. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    I definitely agree that Orser had an important part in Kim's development. He seemed to have created a good environment for her and was responsible for putting in the finishing touches. My comments were in response to some posts, which presented her two coaches as somehow less capable. She wouldn't have had the good foundation she did from the start, if they didn't know what they were doing.

    Generic Female Ballad. All the twinkly piano, :yawn: pieces that unfortunately we see way too often from Ladies. Conversely, too many Men opt for bombastic macho movie soundtracks. ;)

    It was a long time ago so I can't recall specific details about her skating (I must have a notebook somewhere with notes though :)). I remember seeing this girl landing all these jumps in practice and me and my friend assumed it was Sawada Aki since that was the only higher level skater in that practice group. It's only when skaters were called for their program run-throughs, we realised it was Kim Yu-Na. I remember her being very consistent overall but struggling with the 3loop a little. She fell on it in the SP. I also remember that it was really mind-blowing that a previously unknown skater showed an overall skating level far above anybody else taking part in that competition.

    Her FS from that competition is on YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOj_b293gW8
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  29. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

    I think for the 2010 Olympics it was helpful for Yuna to train in Canada for political reasons. It helped to have famous and well-connected coaches in the host country to get the best training facilities and publicity. Now she she is the one with the political clout. She can get anyone she needs to come to her.
  30. all_empty

    all_empty Well-Known Member

    Generic female ballad.

    Yuna will be fine.

    She's a seasoned competitor and the reigning World and Olympic champion.

    She had a rough (for her) first outing but it was miles ahead of her competitors, which included another 2-time world champion and a hotshot skater from last season!

    ETA: Oops, Ziggy already answered.