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Who Is the King of Skating Dads?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Squibble, Aug 31, 2010.

Who is the king of skating dads?

Poll closed Sep 3, 2010.
  1. Poppa Cho

    1 vote(s)
  2. Poppa Czakó

    1 vote(s)
  3. Poppa Henie

    22 vote(s)
  4. Poppa Kwan

    49 vote(s)
  5. Poppa Robertson

    0 vote(s)
  6. Poppa Trenary

    2 vote(s)
  7. Poppa Weiss

    9 vote(s)
  8. Other (please identify)

    4 vote(s)
  1. satchelpooch318

    satchelpooch318 Active Member

    I picked Papa Henie over Papa Kwan...if Mr. Kwan was as big of a bad-a$$ skating dad as Mr. Henie and had the same kind of politikal pull with the judges, then Michelle would've also been been a two-time Olympic Champ and the 1995/1997/2002 World Champ (with the exact same skates). Since Mr. Kwan didn't have that kind of power and Mr. Henie did...
  2. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    Actually a lot of Chinese parents use negative psychology on their kids. It's not for me to judge that one comment. Besides, Kwan seems a pretty tough cookie. Now if Kween were fragile and Kwan dad used that on her I would be mad.
  3. nubka

    nubka Well-Known Member

    What's wrong with having his hands in his pocket...? :confused:
  4. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    :lol: How bad arse are you then?
  5. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Right. Publicly, at least, the Kwan kids seem to be psychologically and emotionally healthy (whatever that means) and don't seem to harbor any ill-will towards Papa Kwan. At least, Michelle Kwan got a great work ethic and seems like she has a lot confidence because of it as opposed to in spite of it.

    That doesn't mean Papa Kwan wasn't responsible for some bad decisions, but like many skating parents, they didn't do it out of maliciousness or serious attention-seeking. Papa Kwan has been accused of the greed angle for quite some time (especially with the Riedel skate situation which I believe was out of naivete over the impact of switching boot brands), but until I see some patterned behavior with concrete evidence (like Frank Carroll stating that money was the reason- which he publicly gave other reasons like Kwan and him butting heads or having differences in training but not money) then I'm not so quick to say that Papa Kwan was necessarily greedy.
  6. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    Well, Papa Henie, for sure.
  7. Fallcolor

    Fallcolor Member

    What exactly is Papa Henie known for? What did he...do? :watch:
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2010
  8. Yazmeen

    Yazmeen Well-Known Member

    Ensuring that judgeing panels had lots of skaters from Sonja's home country among other things.

    Papa Weiss would have been my second choice. Not many remember that Michael's sister also used to compete. I heard of a story about someone whose friend competed against said sister. Friend competed at Sectionals and got the last spot for Nationals, Michael's sister coming in just behind her. While friend's Mom was with daughter assisting her in getting changed to go home, officials and friends ran in telling her to grab her daughter and get the hell out of there, because Papa Weiss was on the warpath and on his way over. No joke, they were told to run for their own safety.
  9. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

    Wow! What was he going to do? :watch:
  10. crzesk8dad

    crzesk8dad Well-Known Member

    Thank you! :encore:
  11. crzesk8dad

    crzesk8dad Well-Known Member

    You make me blush....:slinkaway
  12. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

    I don't think having 2 girls in skating for 10+ years leads to naivete about switching boots, especially with someone as sharp as Mr. Kwan appears to be.

    For me, that debacle is very similar to the decisions to skate for COI with injuries, particularly in 2005. I attribute both to a very inhumane view of personal service contracts, for lack of a better description.

    Oversimplifying things, if you have a contract for a tangible good, like buying 100 cattle, and there is some kind of breach, a court can FORCE the parties to go through with the contract. But with personal service contracts, like a contract between a festival and a singer, if the singer can't go through with it, no court can FORCE the singer to perform. The damages are handled in another way ($$).

    So after it became apparent that Michelle's contracts with the skate boot company, and COI, were damaging to her health, a typical person would have gotten her out of those obligations ASAP. But - and I'm assuming Danny has a lot to do with all of Michelle's big decisions - they just kept going, and at great cost, imo. I don't think it's greed. I think it's a misguided notion of honor.

    And neither here nor there, but I remember being struck by one of the messages Michelle posted at MKForum. It was her xmas greeting, I think, sometime after 2003, and she mentioned she had to run as her dad was waiting for her at the gym. Very interesting that in her very brief unscripted message, she mentioned her dad waiting at the gym. I think psychologists could get a lot from that.

    Back to Jill Trenary, in response to orbitz' question, I'm quite certain he said it to her. It was during the actual broadcast, when she was greeting / getting a hug from him after the ladies' FS was completely over. He wasn't calling her fat THEN, he seemed to be saying that for someone who'd been fat as a child, she'd certainly grown up to accomplish something impressive. It's like wrapping a compliment around a little jab. My grandparents did it all the time. Maybe it was a generational thing.
  13. Squibble

    Squibble New Member

    Kwan is the King! :biggrinbo
    But what's this? :wideeyes:
    :judge: has taken :bribe: from :sekret:!
    :puppet: has declared Poppa Henie Emperor! :cheer2:

    Poppa Henie is the Emperor of Skating Dads! :encore: :encore: :encore: :encore:

    :drama: :skandal :2faced:
  14. TygerTyger

    TygerTyger Well-Known Member

    Interesting that there has been no talk of Papa Chait.
  15. Yazmeen

    Yazmeen Well-Known Member

    Probably nothing to actually harm his daughter's rival, just another display of what was supposedly an explosive temper. From what I was told, his daughter quit skating because she reached her limit with daddy's temper and interference.

    I still remember poor Michael at his first Olympic practice, wearing his father's Olympic jacket from the 1960's, which daddy had dangled as his "reward" for making the team ( and which was at least one size too small) looking deer in the headlights nervous...

    I know many skating fans picked on Michael for what they considered showing off with his kids (sometimes interpreted as "look, I'm not gay..."); however, I really think he did it because he was just so happy and proud to be a dad and really wanted his kids to have a different parenting experience than he did.
  16. canbelto

    canbelto Well-Known Member

    I believe there deserves to be a shout-out to Papa Gordeeva, who unlike most Soviet parents did not have his child plucked away by the System. Papa Gordeeva in fact was an active part of his daughter's training, and well, uh ... when your daughter breaks her leg and is in tears on the way home from the hospital, you think the silent treatment is the right choice?

    It did seem to make Katia one tough cookie though, so maybe it worked after all.
  17. Iluvid

    Iluvid Active Member

    How about when John and Rena have their little skater. I can't imagine John not being involved.
  18. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    You people suck!

    Pappa Weiss was by far the biggest psycho skating dad ever.

    I shudder at the very thought of him.

    And that is number 2. Or well number one really if you consider eville politicking.
  19. reckless

    reckless Well-Known Member

    You beat me to it. How can a discussion of skating fathers not include Boris Chait? If the reports of his threatening coaches about the 2002 ice dance petition are true, he would go to the top of the list.