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Who has the best chance of beating Medvedeva to win Worlds in 2017

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vash01, Jan 22, 2017.

Who has the best chance of beating Medvedeva to win worlds in 2017?

Poll closed Apr 22, 2017.
  1. Ashley Wagner

    9 vote(s)
    4.6%
  2. Karen Chen

    4 vote(s)
    2.1%
  3. Carolina Kostner

    8 vote(s)
    4.1%
  4. Satoko Miyahara

    18 vote(s)
    9.2%
  5. Kaetlyn Osmond

    66 vote(s)
    33.8%
  6. Anna Pogorilaya

    81 vote(s)
    41.5%
  7. #3 US lady on World team

    1 vote(s)
    0.5%
  8. Other

    8 vote(s)
    4.1%
  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

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    Right now Medvedeva seems to be the early favorite to win the worlds in Helsinki, but she has lots of challengers this year. Who has the best chance of beating her and winning the world title in 2017?
     
  2. MAXSwagg

    MAXSwagg Well-Known Member

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    No one has a chance at beating her unless she makes mistakes. If she skates clean, she will win no matter what. And Kostner is a choice? Now that is very funny. Kostner won't even be on the podium. So I guess my choice is "other" ("other" as in no one).
     
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  3. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

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    Pogo :kickass:

    But honestly probably no one.

    Maybe Chen because her name includes Chen and she's now the US Chenpion?
     
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  4. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    Miyahara actually gets really close to Medvedeva sometimes. She didn't beat her by that much. She needs Medvedeva to single a jump. Almost unimaginable.
     
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  5. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

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    Pogo. Maybe. But no one I think.
     
  6. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    She's clearly the favorite, but that's a shame because she is not that better than the others.
    I hope everyone will skate cleanly and that the competition will be close.
     
  7. arakwafan2006

    arakwafan2006 Well-Known Member

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    It always comes down to the jumps and she's got em, and she's got em under pressure. She IS that good. She hasn't been around long enough to be a sentimental favorite but she is what previous champions except Shizuka are made of.
     
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  8. snoopy

    snoopy Team St. Petersburg

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    ^yeah Med has a mental toughness that I don't see in anyone else in the current field. But if somoeone is poised to beat her, it is Pogo. Judges do seem to like big jumpers these days.
     
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  9. zigzig

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    Med would have to bite it big time to lose to anyone - the judges will happily forgive her for a mistake with a PCS/GOE safety net. And why not? She's a great jumper, is developing a distinct, signature style (and even though a lot of people hate it, her style is something she really owns) and delivers under pressure again and again. She also seems to have a great personality to boot and commands every performances.

    But enough gushing - I think if Med made enough mistakes for someone to walk through the door it would be Satoko with a lenient caller.
     
  10. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

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    She IS that much better because she is mentally tough and she has the jumps. Many skaters have talent. How many can perform consistently well under pressure?
     
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  11. jiejie

    jiejie Well-Known Member

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    If she's on and 100% clean on both programs--Kaetlyn Osmond. Bigger jumper than Med, quality of everything else comparable or balancing out, IMO better performance quality than Med. But two mistake free programs is a tall order....actually for everyone except Satoko, it's a tall order.
     
  12. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone can. But if anyone COULD, it would probably be Kaetlyn. If, as @jiejie said, she went absolutely clean.
     
  13. Susan M

    Susan M Well-Known Member

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    IMO the only person who can beat Medvedeva is Medvedeva herself. If she hits everything in her program, everyone else is skating for silver.

    That isn't to say I think she actually deserves some of the marks she gets, but it is the reality.
     
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  14. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    No one.
     
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  15. screech

    screech Well-Known Member

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    I went with Osmond for the reasons stated above. Huge, gorgeous jumps, big power, and that performance aspect that just works.
     
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  16. chantilly

    chantilly Well-Known Member

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    The problem with Osmond is she's missing a triple jump isn't she in her LP.
    I think she currently is doing one lutz.
    However I personally feel if she is a 100% on her GOE's should be better as well as her PCS.
    Medvedeva wins based on her consistency and back loading of her programmes, plus all the tanos.
    Her skating skills IMO aren't that great, nor is her choreo or execution sometimes but she's just that "good" enough to be unbeatable IMO.
    Osmond could easily claim silver if clean.
    And I think she should beat Med in the SP.
    That SP is the best SP in a long while.
     
  17. honey

    honey Well-Known Member

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    @chantilly Kaetlyn is now attempting all the triples in her LP. She added the loop into the program starting last year. Now to the questioning of landing it...well, that's another matter. In her major events this season, so far she's fallen on it 3 times and landed it twice (Finlandia and GPF).
     
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  18. topaz

    topaz Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, no one does. It's all in Evgenia's hands. I feel she is unbeatable right now.
     
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  19. Ka3sha

    Ka3sha Well-Known Member

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    Osmond and theoretically Pogo but as she is only Rus#2 (or even #3 after Nats) that won't happen
     
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  20. screech

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    She's doing one lutz, but 2 flips and 2 toes (and executed better). As was mentioned above, the loop is new, and she hasn't been too successful with it, but she is doing all of the triples (aside from the axel) in her LP now.
     
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  21. Aerobicidal

    Aerobicidal Make America TAT Again

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    Nathan Chen.
     
  22. DreamSkates

    DreamSkates Well-Known Member

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    Pogo maybe, or possibly Osmond if either skates clean and has added something to their programs. Med is not a machine and could make mistakes - I've seen 2 this year. Ya never know. But I wouldn't be surprised if she wins yet again. Her scores seem to be going up just enough to stay ahead of others' rising scores.
     
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  23. eternitygoddess

    eternitygoddess Well-Known Member

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    This is the exact same type of sentiment going around before the 2024 Olympics, when Yuna Kim was lauded as "undefeatable."

    The ice (and politics)is slippery, is all I gotta say.
     
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  24. AngieNikodinovLove

    AngieNikodinovLove Well-Known Member

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    Kaetlyn Osmond for the SP

    Probably no one for the free. All those dang arms over the head.
     
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  25. MAXSwagg

    MAXSwagg Well-Known Member

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    Judges won't allow Osmond's (or anyone's) PCS to be higher than Med. Lol Are you crazy?
     
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  26. dinakt

    dinakt Well-Known Member

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    That's my thought, too. Osmond or Pogo if they skate lights out both programs with tons of GOE, and Medvedeva makes a mistake or two (unlikely though it is).
     
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  27. LilJen

    LilJen Reaching out with my hand sensitively

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    You stole my answer.
     
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  28. Rock2

    Rock2 Well-Known Member

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    I pretty much agree.

    However if Osmond is close after SP I'm super curious to see how she is scored if she skates clean right after Med. Chances of clean long are low, but still. Curious...
     
  29. Spun Silver

    Spun Silver Well-Known Member

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    Exactly my opinion. I think they are both superior skaters but Med is what the judges are on these days.

    I think I may like Med more in a couple years if she is still skating but she still looks like a junior to me. I grant all the technical merit but interpretion and performance, forget it.
     
  30. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

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    Med is not juniorish at all. Even last year when she was just 16, she had artistic impression and maturity. I know she is not a popular skater on fsu, but she expresses music well, holds the positions and takes her time. Those are not junior level qualities. Certainly she can develop more, but the way she is, it is good enough for a win. If she falls and others state clean, the judges are not going to just give it to her. She did lose to Radionova last year, This year I didn't like her music, and the programs are very similar to last year's, but as long as she delivers she is likely to win.
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2017