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What does Jeremy need to do for a comeback?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by jlai, Jan 30, 2011.

  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

  2. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    Thanks for the link

    I watched it yesterday. I like it but I prefer his comp
  3. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    I've just watched his Exhibition at US Nationals, and really liked it.
    Not as complex or intricate as his competitive programs, but nice, light, refreshing.
    I don't know what the problem is, since I don't think it's just a headcase problem. I enjoy his programs even with falls, it's not Laetitia Hubert who gave up before the end of the program.
    Had he landed cleanly the Loop combo or rotated the 2nd Lutz (even with a fall) in the LP at US Nats, he would have been in the World team. I'm so sad :(
  4. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

    Yes, had he not stumbled out of that 2toe (3loop+2toe+2toe) or not put his hand down on the 2nd 3Axel or got one of his spins (CSSp) from a Level 1 to a Level 2 or his step sequence (CiSt) from a Level 2 to a Level 3, he would be going to Worlds. Abbott really lost valuable points in places where he shouldn't have lost them. He's a very capable spinner and has shown great footwork in the past; pressure and mind games along with boot issues really did him in. Missing bronze and a World team berth by 0.19 really stings. :(
  5. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Abbott was not going to do well at Worlds this year anyway. His skating this season has been lacking in many ways other than consistency. Slow spins, more unsteady jump landings, lack of speed and pizzaz. If he is going to continue it is best to examine where his skating is going in the off season and come back alot stronger next season.
  6. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Well, you can be as sure as you want but the truth is that we'll never know how he would've done at Worlds since he isn't going. However, how many times have we predicted doom and gloom for a skater based on their GP performances then have it be totally different by the time Worlds comes around? Same thing for the opposite.

    I remember last year most of FSU was predicting a horribly skated ladies event at the Olympics based on the GP and it turned out to be arguably the best skated event of all the disciplines. What about Evan not qualifying for the GP Final in 2008-2009 and placing third at Nationals only to win Worlds?
  7. Triple Butz

    Triple Butz Well-Known Member

    I don't know, I have a theory he was under-training a bit in order to build for the WC, whereas in the past two years his best performances came too early. Obviously, if this was the case, it backfired.

    In the 08/09 GP he hit three clean LP programs in a row, and I thought he had finally found stability in his jumping, but he's been up and down ever since...

    Let's see what he can do at 4CC. He better not leave anything on the table if he wants to be taken seriously next season. I hope he doesn't retire yet, even with the jump problems he's had some of the most memorable programs in the last few years and I don't even think he's hit his artistic peak yet.
  8. dinakt

    dinakt Well-Known Member

    From what I gather, Jeremy is definitely competing next year- and after that it is not decided.
    I am very glad he'll continue. And very sad he will not got to the Worlds- because I agree, even with all the boot problems, his team might have been trying a different strategy this year, and it backfired by 0.19 points. A shame, as he just might have peaked at the right time, but now we'll probably never know.

    I hope we get some way to watch 4CC this year. US Men's team is awesome, plus it's Mirai's last appearance, V/M first appearance, and the Japanese team is on fire. Please Skate Gods, give us 4CC broadcast.
  9. Cyn

    Cyn Well-Known Member

    I was absolutely gutted for Jeremy at Nationals this year :fragile:, to the point that I cannot bring myself to re-watch his FS.

    That being said, the sturm und drang about his skating career being a disaster/over is somewhat puzzling to me. He medaled at both of his GP events, even with horrid boot problems, finishing in 2nd behind WC Takahashi at NHK, and 3rd at CoR, which seemed to be a bizarre FS for all of the top men except Tomas Verner. He was the highest-ranked American skater in the Mens' GP season rankings (1st alternate).

    While I'm not an expert, it is my understanding that it can take a ridiculous amount of time to find the problem, which takes away training time (as already mentioned). Also, I'm not sure of the usual time it takes to break in a new pair of boots, but IIRC he had only been in his current ones for 5 weeks.

    Overall, I think mentally, he may have, with the absence of Lysacek and Weir competing this season, become a bit complacent and overconfident that it was a given that he would make the world team. I could be wrong on this, but if he had that mindset, combined with boot issues, the plan not to peak too early in the season (compared to previous seasons), it set the stage for disaster when Ryan Bradley stepped in with the quads and wound up in first place after the SP. Going into the FS, Bradley's 2-quad FS likely got into his head and that, combined with fantastic FS after FS from the skaters before him, unfortunately got into his head. He skated like someone scared of defending his title rather than skating with the command of being the 2-time national champion.

    Going into next season, he needs to

    - have equipment (boots, blades) that work well for him
    - work again on consistency. It seems that his consistency with the 3A has gotten quite better (while it hasn't been perfect, it's certainly better than his usual popping into a 1a or falling out of the landing, if he landed it two seasons ago).
    - re-think his spins. Looking back on Jeremy's spins in his programs from the previous two seasons when compared to this one, it's like watching a different skater altogether. They're slower, the positions seem awkward, and (obviously) they were more prone to losing levels than before. Ditto for his FW.
    - get the quad back into his programs

    On a personal note, I think it would do him well to have at least one of his programs done to music and with choreography that has not just passions, but some pow and umph to it - something akin to his "Treat" or "Dead Already" SPs. Much as I love his skating, the past two seasons, I found more of his programs to be a little snoozy and unless skated perfectly, it was very easy to lose interest (last season's SP to Jeff Beck's "A Day In The Life" was IMO one of his most boring programs to date), which could have definitely affected the judges' perception, resulting in lower PCS. He needs to have programs that will grab the judges' attention and never let it go.

    As far as the rest of the season, he just needs to go balls-out at 4CCs and not worry about what others are doing on the ice. I will say that I do if the USFS might find a way to change their entries to Worlds if Jeremy were to score extremely well and land on the podium with either a Silver (entirely possible) or Gold (unlikely, given how Kozuka has skated this season). Takahashi has been hit-or-miss this season, but I haven't followed his progress since the GPF (4th) and Japanese Nats (3rd).
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2011
  10. centerpt1

    centerpt1 Well-Known Member

    It's so interesting how perceptions differ.

    That was my favorite program of his ever. (but , granted, it never scored as well as it could have)

    He has so much to offer, I enjoy seeing what he has for programs every season. He's one of the few skaters willing to take a chance and grow artistically year to year.

    I hope he does whatever he needs to do and is back in the hunt next season.

    I also hope he doesn't keep the long for next season. It's beautifully choreographed, suits him, etc, etc...but it's a bad luck program.

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

    :rolleyes: About the only ways USFS could succeed in getting Jeremy to compete at Worlds is to:
    1. Get some thug to break one of the guys who are going to Worlds' kneecap.
    2. Get Scott Hamilton to hire Bradley for a huge salary, contingent on Ryan's not going to Worlds.
    3. Pay off Miner or Dornbush not to go to Worlds.
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    They did all they could by not sending any of the 3 medallists to 4 CC's.
  12. centerpt1

    centerpt1 Well-Known Member

    I'm blaming it on his name. Just a bad luck season for skating Jeremys.

    Jeremy Ten out of his Nationals, injured. Jeremy Abbott, out of WC, boot issues and ?, Jeremy Barrett out of 4CC, injured.
  13. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    Jeremy Barrett's out? that sucks
  14. Cyn

    Cyn Well-Known Member

    :rolleyes: back atcha.

    I'm not sure why you felt the need to inject three :rolleyes: at my post or get so goddamned nasty - for god's sake, all I did was pose a question. It was hardly as though I was whining or wuzrobbing at his not being placed on the World Team.
  15. attyfan

    attyfan Well-Known Member

    Don't give them ideas. I am sure that the USFS is desperate for the ratings it got after a different whack, and I don't want one of the men framed for something they didn't do.

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

    I apologize, Cyn--but it's one of those things that just isn't happening. And people have said so again and again. In fact, I don't recall that it has ever happened that a USFS skater who had been already announced to a team was pulled off it for any other reason than injury (Jeremy Barrett :wuzrobbed: ) or malfeasance requiring banning from competition (Tonya) in the 40 years I have been watching skating.
  17. manleywoman

    manleywoman podcast mistress

    Oh, I SO disagree on that one. That's one of my favorite SPs ever.
  18. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

    Ditto for me! I especially loved how the footwork and spins fit the music so perfectly. Shae Lynn Bourne's choreography was great!
  19. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    I like most of his programs, though I must say Mazquerade Waltz was the only one I enjoyed whether he skated it cleanly or not. The other ones do depend on his being clean to some degree -- esp. last year's long program.
  20. centerpt1

    centerpt1 Well-Known Member

    I would so love to see him do that waltz program again, with the growth he's shown in interpretation.
  21. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    It is one of my favorite SP. And as a Kwan fan, I didn't really like Michelle's version, and prefer Jeremy's.

    I think this is an interesting question, since the results were so close. The winner (Ryan Bradley) was only 4th in the LP, and we don't know how Richard and Ross will react for their first World championships.
    I'm sure many people in the USFS wanted to send other skaters than those 3. ;)
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  22. Cyn

    Cyn Well-Known Member

    From a technical and choreographic viewpoint, ITA. I just felt it was wasted on music that didn't do it justice - I realize this is JMO, but that version of ADITL is somewhat soporific (but then again, I'm not a fan of The Beatles). If I were a judge, I'd hear the music, and unless the skater was flawless and skated with total verve and passion, it wouldn't stand out, especially when compared with other SPs from last season.

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

    There are other skaters that USFS probably never wanted to send and did: Chris Bowman, Nicole Bobek, Tonya Harding (1991 & 1992), etc. However, those were the skaters that qualified in the years they were sent, and they were announced for the team at Nationals.

    The closest they ever came to doing something like that was sending Paul Wylie instead of Mark Mitchell to Olympics (and sending Mark to Worlds). But they announced it was that way just after Nationals. And they never heard the end of it about that one. And in 1980, when they sent Zayak instead of Lenz. In both cases, they split Olympics and Worlds. They didn't do a "No candy for you" trip on the medallists when there was just Worlds without Olympics.

  24. manleywoman

    manleywoman podcast mistress

    Which is exactly why when a a skating friend of mine said perhaps Mark Mitchell would pull Ross Miner out of Worlds to let Jeremy go, I said NO WAY.
  25. query5

    query5 New Member

    go back to broadmoor-
    why-ogm medalist from broadmoor where they will cheat for him,
    ryan skater worse than jeremy stayed in 1st --broadmoor

    broadmoor- ogm medalist-dick, peggy, dorothy

    sc new york- sarah, carol heiss,
    sc boston- tenley
    tara-Detroit sc; now alissa
    how many people on trip was from those clubs.
    scott hamilton-philadelphis fsc
    brian boitano-pennisula fsc
    kristi-st moritz.
    nothing cliqueish sure
    those are facts--just stating obvious,
  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Well, Jeremy's current club is Detroit SC so your club clique conspiracy theory doesn't hold water, sorry. :p

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

    Pretty funny. Evan is coached by Frank Carroll, and trained in California.

    Again funny. Jeremy crashed, burned and scratched his way through US Nationals. I understand he had new boots, which may explain it. Although at his best, he is better than Ryan, he just was not at his best.

    Dick was Skating Club of Boston throughout his amateur career.
    Dorothy started from the east coast, but moved to Broadmoor later.
    Peggy was Broadmoor.

    Which trip? the 1961 trip????

    You got some of the clubs wrong. Not to mention Mroz would have been the Broadmoor's boy for the push this year, I would think. Ryan was at Nationals being coached by his sister, although his previous coach Tom Z was in the KnC with him. Dornbush is coached by Tammy Gambill (California) and Miner is coached by Mark Mitchell and Peter Jorgensen (Skating Club of Boston).

    So your Broadmoor conspiracy theory does not work, not since Carlo Fassi died, anyway.
  28. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

    me too!
  29. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    I was sitting on my couch, watching Nats, minding my own business, when Dornbush skated his LP. I remember thinking "whoa! If he's in 7th, imagine what ELSE we're going to see!" I guess you can imagine my reaction for most of the afternoon...:shuffle:

    [Actually, I went to go get a drink or something and missed a few performances, including Miner and Mroz. Somehow, when it was all over, I got the idea that the podium was Bradley/Dornbush/Mroz. Imagine my reaction when I saw that the world team was Bradley/Dornbush/Miner!]

    Anyway, I assume that USFS officials felt like it was 2008 in ladies all over again (although this was slightly different) and just put together the best team it thought it could.

    I hope that all three men whip out top-ten performances, but I have no way of guessing (although I'm pretty much obsessed with Ryan's short, so I'm looking forward to seeing that again!).

    Also, a funny story: when the event ended, I read about Joshua Farris' ankle. I told my mom about that and that he placed 21/22 competitors. She said, "boy, would I hate to be the guy who placed below the guy who broke his ankle!"
  30. nashvilledancer

    nashvilledancer Active Member

    Spin requirements changed this season. Can anyone with tech knowledge explain the requirements and what Jeremy's doing to meet them (or what he could do differently)? His spins are quite different from other peoples' and I think are really interesting looking and fit the music. His sit spin position is so stretched and low. His cross-foot spins are cool as is his upright spin with the back leg extended to the side. Others also have had some difficulty meeting the requirements of technical callers--Joubert, for one.