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What could Rachael Flatt do to get much higher scores?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by krenseby, Nov 21, 2010.

  1. krenseby

    krenseby New Member

    I have a simple question, but a question that's important nonetheless.

    What could Rachael Flatt do to get much higher scores? It's true that you can answer this question with "Nothing. She has already maxed out her scores and there's no way for her to score much higher." On the other hand, some of you may feel that either more difficult footwork, a balletic style, better spins, deeper edges, or a promotion campaign from the USFSA may do the trick. I was just throwing out some ideas in that list above, but I think some of you experienced observers of skating may have some altogether different solution in mind.
  2. PDilemma

    PDilemma Well-Known Member

    Leave Tom Z.
  3. Jarrett

    Jarrett Firebird for worlds!

    Change last name to chan?
  4. Maximillian

    Maximillian Well-Known Member

    Get into a time machine and go back and be born as someone else entirely. I don't mean that to be mean, I mean that in the sense that she has maximized her potential. Most of what holds her back is stuff that is out of her control. She is a wonderfully consistent jumper with some other nice qualities, but there are fundamental problems with her skating that I think have to do with her build and her lack of athleticism. It's not her fault. I think she does great with what she has, but what she has is not enough to be a world beater. She has played the deck she's been dealt to the best of her ability, but that deck isn't that great of a deck. I don't think Tom Z, has that much to do with it.
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  5. ks777

    ks777 Well-Known Member

    she needs to skate much faster and add more transitions. Plus her edges are shallow. Also she needs to work on her lines. She has the body of Tonya Harding and Midori Ito but lacks good skating skills and power. So it's unfortunate.
  6. burntBREAD

    burntBREAD Active Member

    Agree with whoever said to leave Tom Z. Agnes needs to too. All of his skaters are relatively slow (Rachael, Agnes, and Gilles) and more speed = more command of the ice = higher PCS. And it'll help Rachael gets more height in her jumps.
  7. ks777

    ks777 Well-Known Member


    Come to think of it, almost all of Tom Z's famous students are really slow.. except for AP.
  8. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    I agree with all of this.
  9. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    Go to Yuka and Jason and ditch Tom Z!
  10. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

    Even if Rachael doesn't leave Tom Z. completely, it would be beneficial for her to work with specialists on the areas of her skating that need the most work. Get her to Janet Champion for spin help, and then send her to work with an ice dancer on edges, stroking and speed for a few weeks. Her jumps are fine, and I know she's been working on other aspects of her skating (i.e., taking dance classes), but I think it's imperative that she focus on upping her skating skills. I think she could see a general PCS increase of about .5 across the board if she were to improve her speed and attack.

    I'm interested to see who she'll work with once at Stanford.
  11. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

    ^ I think Christy Ness is still in the Bay Area?

    Back to Rachael - There may not be too much she can do, but I think she would benefit by developing more speed, getting into the ice and using her knees more but who knows, it could throw off her consistent jumping and I'm not sure what exercises she could implement to develop more power / speed.

    Maybe she could also develop more stretch from certain exercises [ballet, yoga, pilates] but that may be minimal and she may be doing that already. Still, any improvements would be welcome.

    And how about some slight cosmetic changes; showing her white boots instead of stockings might give her legs/feet more shape.
  12. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    I'm not sure how much she could do, but I agree with those that have suggested ballet and yoga. I think a different choreography would help and even though Rachel likes the type of programs she does, I think stretching herself with something more choreographically challenging could also help.
  13. LilJen

    LilJen Reaching out with my hand sensitively


    Seriously, a LOT more ballet, stroking exercises that will teach her greater knee bend and give her more power and speed. Although I agree with the other poster that she's done a very good job with the cards she's been dealt.
  14. DickButtonFan

    DickButtonFan New Member

    She needs to jump bigger, go back to her style of programs like 2009 worlds sp, and skate faster with better footwork.
  15. L'amour

    L'amour New Member

    Change her style..seh is so damm boring. Her face sais youth but her overall sais old and boring.

    She needs a hair cut and a hairdo, new costumes, more and moreballet classes, more power and elegance.
  16. hiwvw

    hiwvw New Member

    I hope to see more speed in her skating.......
  17. HSGP21

    HSGP21 New Member

    Watching Improv Ice, and she seemed so much more at ease with "dancy" choreography in that impromptu number than she does in her short and long program this year... she definitely needs new choreography, this jazzy stuff just isn't working...she even seems more comfortable with hiphop
  18. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    I agree. If she skates her competitive programs with the personality I just saw in Improv on Ice she will win nationals again, speed or no speed.
  19. centerpt1

    centerpt1 Well-Known Member

    She was actually connecting with the music and looking great at Improv-Ice.

    Please get her away from Colo Springs.
  20. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    I definitely agree with this. I was surprised how good she was at Improv. I was half-expecting to see something boring and bland, lol.
  21. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

    :lol: I was going to suggest maybe go on a media spree announcing that she and Chan are now an item, have some risque photos taken together of the two of them and spread them to all the ISU judges and technical panel. By association, her PCS will fly through the roof in no time. :p
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  22. DickButtonFan

    DickButtonFan New Member

    I'm not shocked she did so well on improv on ice. Her programs this year are so cheesy I wish she would just change the music and choreograph the programs herself. I bet she would do 10000 times better.
  23. newbatgirl

    newbatgirl Well-Known Member

    A big "Hell, Yeah" to whoever said "Leave Tom Z."

    I find that all Tom Z's students seem to have major issues with speed, edges, and on-ice presence. And their programs fall flat to me.

    Rachael is a sweet girl but I would love to see what another coach could do for her.
  24. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    I heard through a fly on the wall source that Rachael and Patrick are "dating" now. And they are going to the debutant ball together. I still don't know why Rachael would go for someone like Patrick but to each her own. Maybe when the photos from the ball come out we will see Rachael's PCS improve :p
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  25. ks1227

    ks1227 Well-Known Member

    I've always thought U.S. Ladies in general don't place enough emphasis on speed, with a few exceptions of course. So I'm not sure it's just Tom Z.
  26. burntBREAD

    burntBREAD Active Member

    Hmm...the only slow ones that come off the top of my mind are the Tom Z skaters and Caroline Zhang. I know that most US coaches put a high premium on solid edging and at least passable speed. It's just that Tom Z's skaters are some of the slowest of the slow. They generally have great jumps, but not a lot of speed. Jeremy Abbott is the only exception, and he took dance classes when he was younger so his edges are nice and crisp.
  27. ks777

    ks777 Well-Known Member

    I think Abbott is pretty slow too. AP McDonough was the only exception. Ryan Bradley is the slowest.
  28. AndyWarhol

    AndyWarhol Well-Known Member

    Work on her spirals, spins and line. MAJOR ballet classes.

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

    Stay away from ballet / classic programs. Rachael does not have a ballet style body, and trying to look like a dying swan is just going to flop dead.
  30. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

    I honestly think she does a good job of this, despite what some people say. Cutesy and charming work for her and that's what she does, not ballet or classical
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