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What can Savchenko & Szolkowy do to get Olympic Gold ?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by PashaFan, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    I've loved these two since first watching them at the ARD Gala On Ice in 2003. They are the artists of Pairs skating.
    But since Tatiana & Maxim have teamed up they have lost more & more ground on the pair from Russia.
    Why ?.
    Are they putting too much into landing the throw triple axel ?. After COR it looks like they may have to stop trying that.
    I have to say the I enjoy watching both teams but love the Germans more.
    It would be heartbreaking for them to lose another Olypic Gold after 2010 when they lost form when the Chinese returned. And now they have to go up against the top pair from Russia at an Olympics in Russia.
    Do they really stand any chance ?, or will they battle the Chinese & Canadians for Silver ?.
    They could end up being the Kwan of Pairs skating. 4 European titles & 4 World titles but no Olympic Gold.
    What can they do to get their levels up & get the judges back on side ?.
  2. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

    Be perfect.

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  3. umronnie

    umronnie Well-Known Member

    Whack Trankov's knee
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  4. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

    Go back to their Pina LP and land the 3ATh?
  5. senorita

    senorita New Member

    ^Sigh.. we never saw live the Pina program :(
  6. shah

    shah Shhh... shhh...

    Skate clean? I mean the sbs jumps, because the throw Axel is another story...
  7. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

    I know I was gutted. Still I got to stare at Robin for the whole pairs SP :grope: so every cloud has a silver lining :rofl:
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    At this point, they need to work really hard in order to secure silver. Gold is out of reach unless they nail it and V/T bomb and the probability of both of these things happening is probably 0.01% or so. Although who knows. V/T have been incredible so far this season but then Trankov has always been consistent but look what happened in Vancouver. Everybody was expecting Mukhortova to mess up but it was him missing the sbs jump in SP (which he normally never did).

    Going back to th3f in SP and th3s in FS would probably be sensible but they might as well try to go out with a bang (I just hope Savchenko doesn't get hurt :/).

    Damnit, I came here just to post that but you were first. :revenge: ;)
  9. arakwafan2006

    arakwafan2006 Well-Known Member

    Duplicate post
  10. arakwafan2006

    arakwafan2006 Well-Known Member

    Ditch that damn Axel pipe dream and skate cleanly and perfectly. Their choreography IMO is far stronger than the Russians. The program is cohesive and relevant to the music. The Germans have the ability to interpret music beautifully. The Germans also have the ability to do very strong elements (Robin... stop messing up 3toe please). I do have to say that I am loving seeing Aliona's spirals return. The Germans used to have better connecting moves and transitions. BRING THEM BACK

    Totally Unrelated:Their 2006 SP at the olympics was one of my favorites of theirs. It was when i became aware of their talent.
  11. clairecloutier

    clairecloutier Well-Known Member

    Who do you see as a threat to win silver over Savchenko/Szolkowy? They've already beaten Pang/Tong, Bazarova/Larionov, and Moore-Towers/Moscovitch. The only other contender would be Duhamel/Radford, and they're not looking so good this season. I'm not saying it's impossible another team could beat S/S for silver. But I do expect them to win at least silver if they stay on their feet in Sochi and skate with energy.

    As to gold, honestly I don't know if they can do it, the way Volosozhar/Trankov are skating and being scored. But I still hope for them to win. It will take a perfect performance, obviously, no mistakes. I don't think they should attempt the throw 3 Axel, it's just not consistent enough. I feel they can't afford a huge mistake/fall, and it's too possible for that to happen on the throw 3 Axel. What's great about S/S isn't the throw 3 Axel, but just the quality and beauty of their pairs skating. Focus on that.
  12. mia joy

    mia joy Well-Known Member

    Honestly, nothing. Unless there is a total disaster, V/T will be given the gold. Even if S/S are clean, even if they somehow hit that 3a, as long as V/T are clean too, the OGM is theirs. Even if everybody hits, noone will come close to V/T. They represent Russia and that's beyond anything other teams can do.

    However, to be frank the possibility of Aliona and Robin being clean is very small at the moment and V/T are always clean these days. Thus, that gold will probably be deserved even without Russia's politicking.

    Nevertheless, I wish that fight for gold would be fair, which it won't. I really feel for Aliona and Robin, they've been chasing that OGM dream for a long time now. But they will surely be remembered as all time greats, which I am not sure will be the case with V/T. V/T will most probably be remebered as those who wasted their talent on mediocre programs.

    And I don't think S/S will ditch that axel. It would be wise to ditch in the SP, to make sure nobody gets hurt enough not to be able to perform the FS, but they will keep one axel for sure. They will go down fighting, that I am sure of.
  13. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    Skate clean and hope that Trankov has at least 2 brain farts in their SP.
  14. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    Yes, that would be very very sad, but true.
  15. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

    I dont think the 3A in the short is a pay off worth making at this stage. I'm certain if they landed it the judges would give it positive GOEs, however, they have never landed it clean in competition so at this point in time it's not worth it - the 3FTh worth +2GOE which they regularly get is worth the base value of the 3A so they'd be better off doing that.

    If they insist on trying the 3A I'd be minded to move it to the start of the programme, get it out on fresh legs, and if it fails they can just focus on the programme and go all out - leaving it to the end seems to be sucking the energy out of the LP and they'd be better to finish with the 3F which seems to be very consistent.
  16. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    I agree that they really do need to give up the triple axel. It hurts her so much. Is it worth the risk ?. For me, no.
  17. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Ditch the 3axel which they never do cleanly anyway, focus on skating cleanly, and hope V&T have their worst skate of the season by far. They are right back where they were in 2010 where they needed another team (S&Z in 2010) to falter to hope to win.
  18. Finnice

    Finnice Well-Known Member

    This discussion makes me sad. Talk about the impossible dream.
    Still, it is figure skating. I hope that everyone stays injure-free and nobody will get whacked plus that judging will be honest. And that Savchenko and Szolkowy will fight fiercely for the gold, even though it seems to be hard.
    Going back to Pina could be one alternative.
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  19. Jessiebanana

    Jessiebanana Well-Known Member

    They can't. I love them (and their LP) and even if they improved their side by side and did everything perfect, V/T are locked for Gold. V/T would have to completely bomb. The Olympics is in Russia and they've made it pretty clear that anyone who is a reasonable candidate for a medal, will win it...and some not so reasonable, though this doesn't apply to V/T.
  20. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

    I know Tranky could give terrific "WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYY!!!" face. :swoon:

    In all seriousness though, the Olympics are a freakin' mental minefield and has been the famed undoing of many a magnificent figure skating champion. I never think any skater is a "lock" for Olympic gold or any medal for that matter. It is unlike any other figure skating competition and many skaters lose their way in the magnitude of it all. They just have to focus on themselves, stay as healthy as possible, take one element at a time, and skate their personal bests as cleanly as possible. They need to focus on quality foremost and quantity secondly.
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2013
  21. succubus

    succubus Well-Known Member

    Buy tight yellow pants.
  22. LilJen

    LilJen Reaching out with my hand sensitively

    Indeed :)

    I think they should focus on skating cool programs that showcase their unique personalities, stick with the 3flip, ditch the 3A unless they want to be permanently injured, bring back Pina and ENJOY this last year of eligible competition, rather than going for the "desperate for gold" approach. If this whole year is awful and they don't win gold, what do they have? If they enjoy this year and can get some clean (or cleaner) performances of a great program or programs, and they don't win gold in Sochi, at least they will have enjoyed the season.
  23. Jessiebanana

    Jessiebanana Well-Known Member

    That's a very nice way to look at it and I want to be optimistic, but I don't want to be sad. I sort of feel this way about Weaver and Poje, because I know they can perform a medal winning program and I'm having a hard time accepting they won't get the scores, so yeah...hope.
  24. apatinar

    apatinar Active Member

    I don't know what people saw in the Pina program. To me that was one of the most disjointed cuts of music and choreography that I have ever seen from any pairs team in decades..
    S&S needs to skate this current program clean as a whistle and hope for 2 mistakes from the Russians... one mistake from the Russians still won't do it..
  25. Louis

    Louis Well-Known Member

    I hate to say it because (1) I don't agree with the judges and (2) it makes me depressed, but I think they need the throw triple axel and probably the throw quad flip, too, in order to win gold. Of course, their odds of injury or total disaster are higher than their odds of gold if they tried that strategy.

    I think others are right that they should just try to skate a clean program knowing their best is 98% likely to max out at a silver medal. :(
  26. ballettmaus

    ballettmaus Well-Known Member

    I adore them but when was the last time they skated two clean programs? Without any glitches (no step out, no doubled or singled jumps etc). We don't know what marks they would get if both SP and LP of the current season were skated cleanly, do we? Maybe that would even be enough?!
  27. Jessiebanana

    Jessiebanana Well-Known Member

    I think it's just hard to be a fan when your team is on the decline. They have so much quality to their skating, but their bodies are giving out and it's a struggle for them to perform two clean programs, especially Robin. I don't believe it's for lack of effort though. I like that they seem really positive after they skate. I think they have a realistic perspective on what they can achieve and have accepted it. It would be sad if they felt defeated.
  28. fenway2

    fenway2 Well-Known Member

    They can give Jeff Gillooly, excuse me, Jeff Stone, a call.
  29. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    It had a lot of transitions and was skated to the music.
  30. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

    I admire S/S, but have to admit I'm enjoying V/T's programs more this season.