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Weaver and Poje their time is now

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by sliver98, Oct 22, 2011.

  1. beebee

    beebee Active Member

    Kaitlyn and Andrew scored a 97.54 in their FD at 2011 Canadians, so, if the competition is scored similarly, it's a safe bet they will break 100 in 2012. More importantly, I believe there is a strong possibility it will also happen where it counts--at Worlds! They are certainly on an upward trajectory.

    I applaud Pratfall's Post #60--couldn't have said it any better myself. I don't know about tacky and trashy, but I do know stunning when I see it. Kaitlyn, Andrew, their costumes, and their programs are absolutely stunning. It is a pleasure to see skaters' hard work and dedication pay dividends in the form of all-around improvement and recognition from the judges and the technical panels. I expect a great result for them at the GPF--maybe the 100 in the FD will come in QC!
  2. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    I made the point several times on the Virtue/Moir thread that Weaver/Poje were robbed at the NHK Trophy & were NOT almost 18 points behind Davis/White at The Cup Of Russia.
    Anyone notice that Marina & Igors couples always get huge marks?.
    I agree that Tessa & Scott are the most talented ice dancers out there but to me Davis/White are like mini pairs skaters & this years free dance is nothing special.
    Weaver & Poje on the other hand have produced a free dance that is special & emotional.
    I just wish the judges had the guts to rank the couples honestly & not go on what they THINK they should do.
    I'm a huge Pechalat/Borzat fan & feel they are punished too much when they make errors but are not given the credit when they skate well.
    Weaver & Poje have skated three amazing events now & I hope they get the marks at the Grand Prix final but I fear it will be a Marina/Igor celebration.
  3. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    Honestly, after so emotional skating from Keithlyn and Andrew it was hard to start wiatching next team FD. Good job, guys!
  4. mia joy

    mia joy Well-Known Member

    ^^ pani, considering the next team was D/W, it's really no wonder :p

    but anyways, about W/P: I think their FD is lovely BUT I do not quite understand all the hype about it. Kaitlyn's lines and positions are so bad it actually disrupts enjoying the artistic side of the dance for me. Also, her expressions are more funny than dramatic IMO. Andrew, on the other hand, is not noticeable for me at all.

    But the dance itself I really like. I think I would have loved it skated by another team, but W/P... well, like I said, I don't get the hype. I still think Nathalie and Fabian are the closest to V/M and D/W. I would have W/P in 4th, though, above the Shibutanis and the Russian teams.
  5. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

  6. Pratfall

    Pratfall Active Member

  7. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

  8. geoskate

    geoskate Well-Known Member

    I've watched their free dance from Rostelecom Cup three times (obviously I enjoy it), but one of my reactions is just thankfulness that they are achieving their potential.

    I remember the first time I saw Kaitlyn and Andrew skate on TV, and I loved them immediately. It seemed like they might have what it takes to become something special to watch. I've seen that with other skaters too, though, and then somehow some of those skaters just never reached the place that it seemed they should reach - perhaps injury, or poor coaching, or simply lack of motivation meant that they never became what I thought they would become. In Kaitlyn and Andrew's case I think they have become the special team that it seemed they could be when they started out.
  9. clarie

    clarie Well-Known Member

    Yes, I agree. They seem to have a monstrous work ethic and it shows in their improvements. I like the way they look together on the ice, and they are picking up speed and line as well. I hope they stay in and achieve their true potential, and I always enjoy their programs (with the exception of music of the FD last year). :)
  10. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

  11. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    Just watched the Cup Of Russia Free Dance again. I found myself liking (not loving) Davis & White's FD, much better than Skate America.
    BUT I ended up watching Weaver & Poje FD FOUR times.
    LOVING IT !!!!
  12. clarie

    clarie Well-Known Member

    Yep...I did the same thing pretty much.......It's a program that seems to grow on one. The same with V&M's FF.
  13. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

    Anjelika is still smokin hot.:swoon:
  14. Debrah

    Debrah Well-Known Member

    This dance by W&P is getting better and better each time I watch it.

    Clarie I have to agree with you, I feel the same way about V&M's FF, I think it is because both have an emotional element to the dance that draws one in and makes it fun to watch over and over again.

    I confess I enjoyed D & W FD much more at Skate America than I did the COR performance. After being wowed by the new program debut, it did not seem to have as much impact on me and not sure why that was, except it felt more matter of fact somehow, or maybe I knew what to expect, or it felt that way cuz the sound was bad on the 1st video I downloaded, so I turned it off. I quickly discovered that the emotion being generated is nearly ALL in the gorgeous waltz music itself; not so much comming from the dancers themselves.

    If you turn off the sound and watch the dance performance, the D&W program does not have the same emotional impact. One can still be awed at the athleticism and the high quality of the difficult elements being performed, esp that twirling lift series, but overall the COR performance being executed as a careful technical exercise with limited emotional tension tween partner's did not make me want to watch it repeatedly.

    However, both the Canadian FD's do have an emotional impact on me that draws me in even without the music. You can tell the dance style and get the storylines each couple are portraying just by watching the body movement and facial expressions as they dance. There are subtle details that come to light even over repeated viewings.

    The TEB P&B FD performance was a bit like that too, it was much better the 2nd time out because they managed to generate real emotional intensity that finally drew me in, that was lacking for me in the SA FD performance.

    In any case W&P are improving every time out and I can't wait for the GPF performance, as the music choice should go over very well in La belle Province...I am starting to get a feeling of upward momentum comming from all that hard won silver hardware...
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  15. clarie

    clarie Well-Known Member

    Yes I like the detail in both dances....after I watch the whole thing, I like to go back several times and watch posture, head movement, expression, and hand movements.
  16. Debrah

    Debrah Well-Known Member

    euterpe just to clarify: I think D&W are a brilliant team on a different level from the rest of the field, just as V&M are. I do like D&W FD. I just preferred the SA version, better than COR one, so don't get your panties in a twist.

    I actually think it will depend on the day, as to who will come out on top tween these 2 uber talented teams, as both couples are trully deserving gold medalists. Each of their freedances this season are equally amazing, but in their own unique way. Right now in the early going of the GP, it's D&W ahead by a nose. I agree they should be so far in terms of the FD - as D&W FD is more fully developed at this point in the season esp at the technical level. I think they still need some miles to bring out the full emotional performance end of things; which is difficult to do as a waltz, is a waltz, so not much of a story to tell (in an obvious way) to help keep things fresh and other than expressing the lilting waltz mood by moving along properly during each performance. V&M on the other hand along with W&P, having captured the characters properly, now have to concentrate more on increasing the technical side of things, in order to accrue more points, now that they have the emotional sorytelling side down pat.

    I am drawn to dances that touch me on an emotional or aesthetic level 1st, or next ones that display amazing technique merged with the aesthetic and dance style in a wow or unique way, that was my point.

    My fav SD's of the season: V&M, P&B, W&P, C&L.
    My fav FD's of the season V&M, D&W, W&P, P&I, Hubbells.

    There are other teams I like and respect who did not make my fav or standout list, but who deserve good marks anyway it's just that the actual material, program concept/music choice, or the execution of the program by the team was not as strong or confident, or did not touch/connect with me, as much as I hoped it would do for this time of the season... For example Shibutani's are a great young team, but I was not as wowed this season by them as I was say, by last's season's amazing FD, hence while they did not make my current list of standout's above, by no means do I think that they don't deserve the points they get for what they do, do this season. But that could change over the course of the season as their programs develop. I hated P&B FD first time out, was more neutral by SA, but by TEB it has grown enough that I can start to appreciate it. True I have natural affinity for most of the Cdn dancer's, but I can still rank everyone pretty fairly, example hands down D&W were better than V&M last season, and so far they are better at this point in the season, but that said I really like both programs from V&M, and I really only like D&W's FD this season, although the SD will score well, it does not wow me as much, but still much better than the rest of the field.

    Liking something more does not mean it automatically should score the highest.

    I also don't think that where you once were, reflects where you should be automatically either. Past ranking should only count as an expectation for where a team should be, but the actual reality of what happens on the ice on the day should be able to fluctuate from comp to comp, during the season, allowing for momentum to build or not and thus ranking not ground in stone, till the final comp at world's...
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2011
  17. skatingfan04

    skatingfan04 Active Member

    Any chance the P/I you're referring to is Paul & Islam (CAN)? Please tell me that I'm not the only one who adores their FD this season!!:D
  18. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    I will waite until Nationals to judge about P-I FD. We saw it only 1 time - i wish to see this FD more time during season ;)
  19. query5

    query5 New Member

    for me personally, i don't think so.
    for me personally-they aren't much better than

    cappellini & lanotte, pechalat & bourzat, bobrova & soloviev, shibutani & shibutani.

    i can see them fightingf or 3rd place. but like the above named they will have to fight each other for it. i would also add ilinkyh & katasalpov if they get better.
  20. reut

    reut Well-Known Member

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  21. DFJ

    DFJ Well-Known Member

  22. clarie

    clarie Well-Known Member

    W&P were awsome today.......good luck to them for the FD. I hope they kick A$$.
  23. sliver98

    sliver98 Banned Member

    Best FD of the year hands down, need to skate lights out and not worry about placement on Sunday.
  24. liv

    liv Well-Known Member

    Loved that short dance. The most entertaining of the competition and totally captured the feeling of the dance.
  25. sliver98

    sliver98 Banned Member

    Robbed of the bronze today that french FD blows, worlds are in nice the french desperate for a medal.
  26. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    I cry with Keythlyn after this amazing FD. Great job, guys!
  27. sk8ers

    sk8ers New Member

    That was an incredibly moving FD!!! Couldn't stop watching--similar feeling when Charlie and Meryl did Phantom!!
  28. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

    This couple and their FD and their performance in that FD, gave me goosebumps!!!! They are amazing!!!!