No because of Takahashi as well. Was Takahashi not doing a complete program in accordance with the IJS? Anyone doing quads or trying quads was making a huge mistake. 100% dumb thing to do for anyone. Takahashi should've looked at what IJS was doing to quads more and been like "ur can make it worth zero points? better follow IJS and not even try it!" He didn't even do one all season!