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Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by zilam98, May 2, 2011.

  1. bek

    bek Guest

    I have no doubt in M/T's relationship it took two people. But the fact of the matter is both were given new opportunities/ with other partners Now it may be that Maxim and Tatiana just clique and it may be all that Tatiana really is a reported sweatheart. But reports are clear that those two are able to compromise/have a good working relationship.

    In contrast there were some pretty strong reports that Maria was just as nasty to Jerome as she use to be to Trankov. Sometimes if you are rude and nasty to a person, they may be just rude and nasty back.

    This being said I do hate how it can always be " blame the women in these kind of break ups."

    And as for well Maxim stayed for all of these years. Skating is Maxim's career, and people stay in jobs they hate, for financial/career reasons all the time.

    There's nothing wrong with waiting until its career wise best for you to jump ship.
  2. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    I hope the beautiful and very talented Maria finds a suitable partner soon. Even if her attitude sucks she still has the talent to be a top 5 pairs skater in the World again. I am not sure if there is any partner available in Russia right now to take her back there though.

    I really feel they were robbed last year in some of their results. They deserved silver at the Grand Prix final and bronze at the Worlds.
  3. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    I totally agree with this. I don't think you can compare G&G and V&T. They are different types of pairs G&G were more "two shall skate as one". I don't see that unison, grace, lines in V&T (actually B&S were gorgeous in that respect, and in all except consistency). Tatiana is very athletic and very consistent, but I see Trankov missing the jumps. There was a minor miss in these championships, but a major one in last year's Olympics (with a different partner). Tatiana has been solid as a rock, no matter who her partner. I was so impressed with her at the 2006 worlds that I was disappointed to see her miss the podium because of a weak partner. That has already changed for the better.

    V&T are a new pair and it shows. May be in a couple of years they could develop into a better 'pair'. Right now, in jumps and spins they look like singles skaters doing the elements away from each other. I am sure that will improve. They will never be a romantic pair like G&G, and as good as they are, they don't have the great postures, lines and the connection of Katia and Sergei, so I have a hard time comparing them with G&G.

    Actually the more I watch the current pairs, and some of them are very good or could develop into something very good, I don't feel they compare with G&G, B&S or M&D in their lines, unison, and beauty. Of course that could very well be the result of the two scoring systems.
  4. andante1139

    andante1139 New Member


    Katia doesn’t simply skate. She performs, expresses stories and feelings of music with emotions. Not just being graceful. Actually, she is a pretty good actress, quite able to be into the characters. She is fun to watch in the group numbers of SOI, and do not forget her performances in 1997 TV special, Charlie Chaplin routine with Scott or even 1994 Disney special.

    Katia’s range has become more open and much wider over the years. The versatilities she showed at Ice Age 2 were impressive.
    Last edited: May 18, 2011
  5. equatorial

    equatorial Well-Known Member

    I disagree. Their sbs spins are hit-or-miss, but the jumps are already gorgeous. Also, I could never warm up to G/G. He was extraodinary, but she annoyed me no end for some reason. A great pair but not my cup of tea.
  6. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    I dont think it is the scoring system. I think it is just that those are special pairs who dont come around all the time. Although I do think the scoring system makes it harder to create a magical program apart from those things.

    Trankov is usually quite consistent too. His mistake at the Olympics was unusual and mostly a fluke. Mukhortova usually made the bulk of the errors.
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  7. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Anything in a program can be hit or miss, for anyone. They both missed jumps at MBT and Trankov messed up the 3S at Worlds. I too never liked G/G, even though they were married he always looked like he was forced to skate with a girl with cooties and somehow he had to make to work.

    His mistake at the Olympics wasn't a fluke, it was a fall plain and simple; from someone who was competing for the first time at the Olympics. It was just that everyone set Maria up to fail and was surprised it was him and not her. Same thing at worlds when he stumbled throwing her. I have never seen a man fall while throwing his partner of 7 years, he was just trying too hard and with the form he has on the throw it's not surprising he caught his toe pick, what was surprising was she was able to land it.

    I don't think the COP has stifled creative programs, you make a great program and plug elements in, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The choreographer is the key.
  8. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Sorry, but I have to disagree about the jumps. They are nowhere close to the sbs jumps by B&S and T&M who used to do jumps close together, in perfect unison, from start to while spinning in the air and on landings. G&G also had very good sbs jumps. I am not saying V&T cannot get there; it's just that right now they are not.
  9. Kasey

    Kasey Correcting President Trump's grammar on Twitter :)

    And why would they do that? Oh yeah, because she failed to land jumps and throws on a REGULAR basis. I'm pretty sure that's what the poster meant by saying his fall at Olys was a fluke. Sure, he'd fallen before in programs throughout the years; but it was a rare enough occurrence to basically expect it from his partner, and be surprised by it from him.
  10. bek

    bek Guest

    I don't think its fair to compare V/T to the all time great teams in the past. V/T are an amazing team, and I think they have the potential to be up there with some of the best teams ever.

    But I think it takes time for a pair to truly become a pair. They are both individually great pairs skaters, and they are already at a level most pairs would only dream of being. But I think it takes time for a pair to truly gell. I totally think they will get there though.
  11. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    I agree with you 100% !.
  12. iris81

    iris81 Active Member

    New blog entry (a lot of new photos from USA):

    V-T already left USA for shows in China and Japan.
    New programs are ready. Jermaine Browne (Broadway choreographer) helped to create short program. They say it will be surprise, really unusual program for pair skaters.
    Also they learned triple flip throw and new lifts.
    In July they go to training camp in Italy.
    They plan to take 2 grand-prix, and also want participate in 2 B-competitions (Germany and Slovakia).
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  13. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    Wow, have they been busy. :lol: Thanks iris81.

    According to his website, Jermaine Brown has choreographed for Katy Perry, Leona Lewis, and the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, so this could be really voidy. :D
  14. Civic

    Civic New Member

    Robin Szolkowy is 32 years old now. That's old for eligible pairs skating. Who knows if his body will hold up until Sochi.
  15. Civic

    Civic New Member

    Really? I always thought G/G's rapport on the ice was unmatched. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
  16. letsskate

    letsskate Member

    Any videos of V/T performing in Shanghai's Art on Ice yesterday?
  17. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    Hongbo Zhao was 36 when they won the Olympics!
  18. nro

    nro New Member

    Yes and Shen/Zhao's mistakes on the side-by-side spins and lift at the Olympics were probably unrelated to his age (I believe they had a similar lift error at 2004 Worlds). So age won't necessarily be a major factor but of course everyone is different. Savchenko said she wasn't sure how their bodies will hold up but are taking it year by year.
  19. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    I agree. May be there is a right partner out there for Maria. I thought she and Jerome would make a really good pair, given enough time. I hope she finds the right partner and continues to skate pairs.
  20. melonmelon

    melonmelon New Member

    Thanks, iris81. :)
  21. Kasey

    Kasey Correcting President Trump's grammar on Twitter :)

  22. rfisher

    rfisher Will you rise like a phoenix or be a burnt chicken

    thanks Kasey. That Super Mario program always makes me smile.