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Virtue and Moir 29 - Classical and elegant

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by pani, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. iggie

    iggie Well-Known Member

    my writing style depends. but when i write for myself and i personally want to feel proud, this my standard:

    [certain artists do] not distort what's real. the subjects ... are quite identifiable. rather, the artist pushes through aspects of the real to make the viewer take a second look at familiar topics.
    - michael semak, photographer

    instead of telling us about an idea or emotion, literature confronts us with something that may spark that same idea or emotion in ourselves. it's an experience.
    - steven lynn, literary critic

    a poet, somewhat. a writer, to a degree. a lover of hummus and vanilla black tea, always. nina simone and ella's voices often echo through my room as my pencil navigates through metadiscourses and carets to achieve something readable, something beautiful.
    - 2009-ish writing bio

    but saying exactly what needs to be said so that it gets the point across is brilliant, no matter what. i just know how to edit and adjust for style and structure. editing is not just about grammar. the blog also requires that i be a managing editor, a proofreader, a quality assurance kind of editor, a fact checker + more. here's the canadian professional editor's association definition of what an editor can do: http://www.editors.ca/hire/definitions.html

    and i am a professionally trained editor. i was trained in every single thing there + more
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2013
  2. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    From SC facebook page.
    I know some of you guys want to go.
  3. Lety

    Lety Member

    I'm fascinated by what you do, Iggie. I could see very clearly the importance of your work, in your competence to explain it became very evident. This really piqued my interest!

    I'm a new fan, so I have not had the opportunity to thank you, but here are my thanks for all your dedication. ;)
  4. Emdee

    Emdee Well-Known Member

  5. Rotation

    Rotation New Member

    I'm a long time follower of these boards but a first-time poster.... Are any of you planning on attending Skate Canada this year? I am really looking forward to seeing all the skaters, but especially V & M! It will be my first live skating event apart from Stars on Ice.
  6. iggie

    iggie Well-Known Member


    it's fun, but it's fierce -- but you need to be pure zen, ambition and supple. it's never secure, but if you wanted a job where you were guaranteed to do the exact same thing, the exact same way, in the very same place for 20 years -- and you'd always have your job and move up no matter who badly you did you job or how ordinary you performed -- this isn't your industry. success in this field depends on a lot and you have to stay focused on what you ultimately want. it's not just about a job and paycheck. having the life you want, loving what you do, and being really proud of the work you do and who you do it for is the whole point. you are your own brand even if you work with other brands for other brands. you have to maintain relationships. it's a great career for innovators, artists, creators, entrepreneurs, do-er, achievers, strategic thinkers, tacticians, passionate people, goal-oriented peeps ... and everyone else.

    you know apple. they're an incredible brand right? but steve jobs didn't create the brand necessarily. apple has a pr firm. the pr firm would have created this commerical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SswMzUWOiJg

    there's a pr team behind this too, several actually: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFdFLdh8new
    it's a series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSSoBabN3M
  7. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    Thanks iggie, I read the series and it's really impressive how much work goes into it. Very interesting how the 14 followers absolutely does not tell the tale. I never sign up to follow blogs, and I don't really comment on them either (because that would be another place I'd have to follow... I prefer to post at FSU and just lurk other places; I'm sure many are the same). The importance of this blog may not be quantifiable in numbers but like you said, if Tessa and Scott are using it as a resource, that's everything. And maybe in that way it's good that there aren't a lot of comments? Even positive ones may start with phrases like "I know the haters don't like Carmen, but..." and other things that they probably don't need to see when they're just trying to look up information about themselves.

    Actually, I think of your blog as basically the Tessa and Scott wiki (especially for the last couple of seasons). A lot of TV shows have their own wiki where members contribute all possible information about the show... and that's basically what your site is, except it's all generated by YOU, which is pretty amazing.

    I'm still working on that thing for you ;) I'm the type who gets something 95% done and then doesn't want to finish it...
  8. iggie

    iggie Well-Known Member

    oh cool. here's steve jobs talking about "think different" campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcneYcl23MU
    (a pr team would have helped him a bit. he's part of his own pr team in a way which makes it a pleasure. some ceo's need you to choreograph every single thing)

    here's a tribute to him when he died: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoBer6grTw
    another tribute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuLw9_JEAsw

    historical video of steve jobs chatting about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zut2NLMVL_k
    insight into his company: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60dheI4ARg

    i have a sense of humour ... this video cracks me up. the more you know about windows, apple, pc, bill, steve, and even literary history + who was the best cold war scientist, the funnier it becomes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0

    i personally think the history behind the file extension .jpg is hiliarious! and it completely relates to this.

    with a man like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJm0P8xpDzA
    and creates products like that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QztwBzcVaw
    and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKPEK9BSIhA
    and treats privacy like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGLxjppFqeA
    and this is him talking about him being 12: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkTf0LmDqKI

    you think a ceo wouldn't even need a pr firm, but apple does. and still, they give their pr to one firm right now -- and basically everyone in silicon valley uses her for pr.

    i don't own an apple computer, but everyone i know does. my friends got a job in an apple store and they were crying for happiness. so it makes me :)

    pr when it's done well makes everyone in the industry proud. those campaigns become case studies. when it fails, we laugh and those campaigns become case studies. when you're extraordinary, you get awards. skate canada's pr team ... interesting, but they are award-worthy. http://discovery.iabc.com/phrase.php?phrase=skate+canada

    iabc - international association of business communicators (you can do pr that's purely communications in a business setting ... this is your association).
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2013
  9. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    Iggie, could you be TS PR-manager? :D
  10. clarie

    clarie Well-Known Member

    Lucky you. It's quite an experience watching live and gives a totally different perspective..........from the speed and coverage to the colours of the costuming which at times appears different on TV.

    Welcome to this thread and I hope you enjoy the experience of live competition. :)
  11. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

    I'll be going to Skate Canada. I'll be around other FSUers too. You won't miss us. Check us out if you have time. :)
  12. sap5

    sap5 Well-Known Member


    Along those lines, my question for iggie is, if you were V/M's PR manager, what would you do differently from what they do now (and I know we don't know exactly what they do, so just assuming from what is readily observable to fans/general public)? It would be interesting to hear your view as a pr expert.
  13. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

    I just HAD to make a comment about the link for the Windows vs Apple battle. I'm strictly a Windows person but I have been known to have used an Apple waaaaaaay back in the day. I plan to post that link on my Facebook page cause it tickles my funny haha!
  14. iggie

    iggie Well-Known Member

    the shakespeare vs dr. seuss battle kills me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3w2MTXBebg (keep in mind. apparently dr. seuss had throat cancer, so he doesn't rap)
    gandhi vs. martin luther king jr. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6G6CZT7h4k "flatten your style like bread, naan violence" omg! lol.

    so funny.

    as for what i'd do for t/s's pr -- whatever they want. they obviously are happy enough with what they have. they can afford wonderful lives so skating pays for itself. they work outside of skating in very nice areas, a lovely mix of business and pleasure + it doesn't demand too much of their time. right now, it's their last season (unless they suddenly want to stay in for another 4 years ...) but just let them enjoy it. the website hasn't fallen into complete neglect. the last one actually lost the domain name so this is progress. lol. we'll get one big, amazing fluff either at skate canada or nationals. olympics will have their own fluff thing, interview opportunities. plus, they're at the end of their amazing career so that gives them so many things to chat about. it's going to be interesting. at this point, forget pr, i've followed them since they were in their last junior year ... so it's just going to be fun for me.

    anyway, i just know that i say my career here sometimes. pr here. marketing there. now website. communications. I just thought someone would say "ok. misha. what exactly do you do?" i just wanted to say that it's all combined and even the most phenomenal companies with extraordinary ceos still use pr so this industry is everywhere. it's pretty vast.
  15. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

    Great to see you and your blog back iggie! And thanks as always for this compilation of information, interesting to read. I don't think I will ever be happy with Tessa and Scott's PR unless they have a complete overhaul. With this being their final season I definitely wouldn't hold my breath; as it seems right now, it's not just that they have bad PR, it's pretty much non-existent.

    It's going to take a lot, but I would love to go to Canadian Nationals and I've already been looking up how to go about it. When I checked ticket prices, they surprisingly weren't as bad as I was expecting from LA. The schedule for Nationals is very bizarre though and somebody explained to me the chosen dates are when the venue is available for SC. I would be so thrilled if I could make it.

    Hope everybody had a great Fourth of July weekend! (Those that celebrated)

    And welcome to Rotation!
  16. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    Shayii, hope you could to go :) I wish SC will be in Toronto, Ottawa or Montreal - more people could to come and even Trankov said they didnt choose SC because of far location.
    Its so sad thinking about last season... Not only for VM but a lot off other skaters, who competed last 10 years and whom we know from juniors level.
    In DSC thread i found that some people coulod watch practiece. Now i wish so bad to have some rumours abut TS programs.
    Shayii, hope you had great Fourth of July weekend too!
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2013
  17. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

    Thanks Pani I did! Tessa and Scott were the only skaters in the Sochi preview lol.
  18. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    I think this is athlets, who already won Olympic medals, no?
  19. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

    Oh my mistake. I didn't know that. Anyways I'm so tired of all these idiots that are still complaining about the stop at 4CC. Time to move the hell on! And the ISU basically insinuating their was misuse of the rules, when the rules allows for a three minute stop. Who are they saying misused the rules? The Shibs, the French ice dance team? Yea right, I think we all know who they're pointing their fingers at. Maybe if Tessa had collapsed on the ice for a good 30 minutes before getting up, that would have been evidence enough she wasn't "misusing" the rules.
  20. blueglass

    blueglass New Member

    Is it my paranoia or has there been some serious campaigning to undermine V&M. To be this effective (an ISU rule change so fast) it must be someone who's part of the elite community or perhaps from someone from Canton? I have my suspicions. I have never had a problem with skaters stopping if a danger exists - I mean we all know it does affect the final mark whether it's 'official' or not.
  21. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

    It's not your paranoia. I feel the exact same way and I usually try to objective about things. It's not even that the rule is in place now that bothers me, it's the wording; basically insinuating teams misused the rules. What does that even mean? The rules stated that skaters could take up to three minutes after an interruption, so they're basically saying some faked it and its only V/M that I've seen people suggest they faked the stop because they were so scared to lose. I just can't believe this. Some guy made a comment about how what Virtue and Moir did was an embarrassment and Megan Duhamel liked the comment. I'm sorry I'm just upset about this and needed to vent.
  22. iNap

    iNap Active Member

    Everything is not about V-M all the time even if you wish this to be :D ISU do not have sponser for all this break for Olympic games.
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  23. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Was it her real facebook or a fake one?
  24. parapluies

    parapluies Well-Known Member

    Tessa puts on a brave face even if she is in terrible pain. I don't understand why the ISU is taking potshots at Tessa and Scott. Even with a five point deduction they would've probably still be second anyway.

    Maybe its someone who is related to one of their competitors. Someone who thought V/M didn't leave nothing undone on the ice or put their hearts into the performance at 4cc ;) ;) That or Igor is feeling vindictive again ;).
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2013
  25. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

    Where is the ISU taking potshots at V/M?
  26. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

    I don't think it was a fake account.
    Ottavio Cinquanta issued a circular letter saying there were skaters that misused and abused the interruption rule so they were going to do something about it, which is fine, but again I have a problem with the wording.
  27. parapluies

    parapluies Well-Known Member

    Yes the wording is very questionable as someone pointed out at fanforum
    Now tell my ISU, what is obvious??? :D
  28. iNap

    iNap Active Member

    you forgor to see word "repeatedly" you only see what you want to see.

    If your soul is dark there is no cure ;)
  29. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

    a) To me, I don't see any skater misuse. This is less about V/M and more about the ISU realizing that they had a stupidly written rule and attempting to blame the skaters for it. V/M were the most high profile demonstration of this rule's flaw (compounded by the fact that V/M were allowed to do that lift - I think V/M were surprised to be able to redo the lift in the first place) and as such it's easy to see this as being against them (just like the rule limiting the number of triples was 'against' Elaine Zayak as she was the most high profile beneficiary of that rule's absence). I'm more curious if this affects scoring of V/M, but I doubt it will (the narrative wouldn't survive then). I hope SC gets it's ass in gear and starts supporting V/M more, though.

    b) I'm glad that the rule was clarified and changed.

    c) The wording, again, is more about a bureaucracy protecting itself and declaiming against blame.
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