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Videos of bidirectional jump combinations?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Bunny_Hop, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. Bunny_Hop

    Bunny_Hop New Member

    I've heard there's such thing as doing a jump combination incorporating different directions (eg. CCW salchow with CW lutz). I'd love to see a video, but Youtube doesn't have any results. Has anyone seen a video of this, or someone doing it in real life?

  2. igniculus

    igniculus Well-Known Member

    I've only seen Lambiel trying a 2A rotating his usual way and trying it immediately afterwards in a different direction, as some kind of sequence. I think it was some gala practise or so.
  3. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    Todd Eldredge used to do axels both ways.

    I have seen an adult skater years ago at US Adult Nationals who could do axels and double salchows both ways. Amazing.
  4. LilJen

    LilJen Reaching out with my hand sensitively

    Rohene Ward.
    Early bit shows spins in both directions and jumps up to 3a. About halfway through are double jumps in both directions--loop, flip?, and axel, if I remember correctly.

    I know there was a show this summer where Lambiel did 2a in both directions, but I can't remember what it was.
  5. oliver

    oliver Member

    Kozuka does a double salchow in the opposite direction in an exhibition number.
  6. Polymer Bob

    Polymer Bob New Member

    Usually, the 2nd ( and 3rd ) jump of a combination must be a loop or toe loop. But if a skater can jump in both directions, than the 2nd jump can be something else.
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Wow, thanks! :) This is a new practice video from this September that I hadn't seen before, along with another video showing off his extended spirals and other :cool: moves.

    This 2002 exhibition skate by Rohene Ward (one of my all-time favorite skating performances) includes a clockwise to counter-clockwise (his "regular" direction) double Axel sequence, as well as spins in both directions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAdIn-NFKhc
  8. Skate Talker

    Skate Talker Replaced the display under my name

    Orser used to iirc. Think is was "only" a single axle though.
  9. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    I miss him :(
  10. floskate

    floskate Vacant

    Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater :swoon: And thank you for the video of his Vienna exhibition Sylvia. It's years since I last saw it and it was lovely to see again. :)
  11. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    Amazing because you don't see whoch jump is natural : the clockwise or counter-clockwise one ? They are both very good !
  12. leafygreens

    leafygreens Well-Known Member

    Hypothetical question: Would it be considered a combo to do a lutz CCW, step to the other foot and do a toe loop CW?
  13. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    If there's a step to the other foot, it definitely wouldn't be considered a combo.

    We need a technical specialist to clarify for us whether a step would make it count as a jump sequence or as two separate jump elements.

    I'm pretty sure a change of edge on the same foot would make it two separate elements.

    But if a skater can do that with triple jumps, maybe they should start doing it in exhibitions and lobby to have the rules amended for it to count as a sequence.

    Or would it be more valuable to count it as two separate solo jumps, leaving opportunities for three other combos/sequences in the program, and hope for increased GOEs (for difficult exit of first jump/entry to second) and PCS (for intricate transition; originality; multidirectionality) from the judges.
  14. manleywoman

    manleywoman podcast mistress

    Should have been National and/or World Champ a few times over. Sigh.
  15. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    That was wonderful!
    He makes it look SO easy.
  16. pollyanna

    pollyanna In denial

    This. Absolutely one of the most beautiful skaters I've ever seen. :swoon:

    Not considered combos, but might be considered sequences:

    Carol Heiss' famous single axels in opposite directions, a signature of hers (2:15).....
    Carol Heiss 1960 US Nationals

    Janet Lynn - double salchows in both directions at 2:00
    Janet Lynn 1969 US Nationals
  17. midori

    midori Well-Known Member

    It was in triple salchow - reverse double salchow combination, directly from eagle.
    Although he changes edges between the jumps from outside to inside, so I am not sure if it can be called a "combination" by ISU.