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Vaitsekhovskaya's interview with Zhulin

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by TAHbKA, May 24, 2013.

  1. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

    `The gap between the leaders and my team is not so huge anymore' Vaitsekhovskaya talks to Zhulin for sport-express.ru

    EV: Alexandr , many of your colleagues are leaving Russia with their pupils (for the summer). You, on the other hand, prefer to train in Moscow. Why?
    AZ: It's just a tradition in our group. We finish choreographing the new programmes in May, then go for a short vacation and then gather in Latvia and start working on the Original Dance. The conditions in Moscow are perfect- we have 7-8 hours of the ice a day. What's the point going somewhere? Besides, I have a little kid.

    EV: I had an impression you had some ideas for Bobrova/Soloviev's FD long before the season was over?
    AZ: Since January. I have to thank Igor Orshuliak, who I've been working with for several years now. Many of our ideas happened thanks to him. Including Bobrova/Soloviev's previous season FD. That, by the way, answers the question what shows such as `Ice Age' contribute to the skating. They contribute a lot. It was there Orshuliak and I and I choreographed the `Requiem for a Dream' for Tatiana Arntolts and Maksim Staviski - it was about an addicted girl and her beloved. The same idea was taken for Bobrova/Soloviev's FD. It was Orshuliak's idea, he understands there must be a beginning, culmination and the ending of the story. It's exactly what I always thought.

    EV: Taking the CoP in the account many think the programme should, first of all, be choreographed according to the rules.
    AZ: It's not enough. Look how many talks Katia and Dima's programme inspired. Some loved it, some hated - but it was talked about during the whole season. It was taken as a piece of art. Not just a set of elements they had to do. The programme with no theme will be taken as that by the viewers. I.e. it will not really be accepted or remembered.
    Orshuliak gave us an idea for the Olympic season as well. It is also one of the ideas we had during the `Ice Age' period.

    EV: Have you met Igor in the TV show?
    AZ: No. He choreographed Navka/Kostomarov's `Michael Jackson' exhibition dance. Marat Basharov introduced us. he was working with Orshuliak when Igor was choreographing the dances for the `Ladies night' show. I only had to see that show once to understand how well he `hears' the music and how similar our views on the process are. There were many times we argued till we became voiceless and we couldn't agree, but we learned to compromise with the time. Our best programmes were choreographed together.

    EV: What will change in your team for the Olympic season.
    AZ: Nothing. Besides Orshuliak I will go on working with Oleg Volkov, Sergey Petukhov , the two times RockNRoll world champion Dmitrii Ionov who helps us with the lifts. Artem Kudashev works with with the juniors. Maksim Staviski works whenever he has time - he still trains himself. The same with Navka/Kostomarov. It's a huge help. When during the last season we were working on the key points in the polka Tanya needed just 10 minutes to understand what it was about and show it on the ice, even though when she was competing with Roman there were no key points. Just as they were none during Rahkamo/Kokko dance, who were the ones to introduce the finnstep - this year's OD.

    EV: I'm trying to find words to explain the readers what is it about.
    AZ: Key points are the clean and defined edges during the elements of the original dance. They are not easy to perform clean even during the practice, without the additional pressure of the competition. Besides the stress one must skate exactly to the music during the competition. There are several such key points in the OD. You can get a level 4 for it, but you can also get a 1. What level 1 means? That you might as well stop and not bother skating - you loose about 7 points in every half a dance. Hence many prefer to sacrifice the style of the dance but do the key poitns no matter what.

    EV: Can you comment Zlobina/Sitnikov's leave?
    AZ: It was an order of the Azerbaijan skating federation vice president - Fuad Galiev. He was not satisfied with their progress and claimed the programmes I choreographed were no good. I completely disagree and really don't understand the real reasons behind that decision. We parted with tears in our eyes - it wasn't easy for us as well, we put so much time, effort and soul in the work, we created a fine pair with a unique style. In one of the GP events Peter Krik asked me to let Zlobina/Sitnikov perform their FD in the exhibition. He said it's against the rules, but not only the viewers loved the programme, but the ISU president Chiquanta.

    EV: It was for the same reasons - the federation pressure that the French Pechalat/Bourzat left your group.
    AZ: I could understand their motives: they fell in the Worlds in Moscow, lost the bronze medal which was almost theirs. In such a case you need someone to blame. Usually it's the coach.

    EV: They had just switched the coaches again. Does it surprise you?
    AZ: I guess Nathalie and Fabian felt they needed a change. A new blood. At such an age towards the end of the career it might be a good thing to do. But it's their business. I tend to look into my plate rather than outside now - a days. There is enough work there.

    EV: I.e. you don't care what your colleagues are doing?
    AZ: I usually rewatch the previous season's leaders programmes when choreographing. To compare and come to conclusions. There are lots of doubts, especially during the olympic season.

    EV: Are you satisfied with the paste of the work of you leading pair?
    AZ: I don't want to talk about it yet. We will show in the test skates in August the programmes and then it'll be possible to sum things up.

    EV: Till then it's all your intuition?
    AZ: Usually it is. And it doesn't always work. I remember in the 1990 when I was skating with Maya Usova we had a tango programme which I loved and thought was a perfection. The same season the French Duchenau/Duchenau had a Chilly music and skated their famous `indians'. Maya and my programme became second best at once. The same happened with Klimova/Ponomarenko's programme. Duchenau's were so spot on with the dance and the characters that they swept us all.

    EV: It was the same in the last year worlds where Davis/White overtook everyone, including the Olympic champions Virtue/Moir. How serious this swap is?
    AZ: I never hid I like Tessa and Scott better. Their charisma is amazing. Bud Davis/White were much better prepared for the worlds. I don't know why, but it was obvious Virtue/Moir can't skate their `Carmen' to the top of their abilities. I think should they had been in a good shape anyone would be a competition for them. But frankly, it's another thing that made me happy. A year ago no one considered comparing another pair to the Canadians or Americans. This year Bobrova/Soloviev are very close to them. The gap is not that huge and it's inspiring. Though, of course, there is still a huge work to be done.
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  2. kittyjake5

    kittyjake5 Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the translation TAHbKA!
  3. Whitneyskates

    Whitneyskates Well-Known Member

    B/S have made huge improvements, but they didn't exactly close a gap. There was a 20 point difference between 1st and 3rd. Great interview, though. I've always appreciated how straight forward Zhulin is in his interviews.
  4. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    LOL so true. What is talking about regarding B/S closing the gap?

    This is why there has been no gap closing and they are neck and neck with C/L and losing free dances to C/L and I/K and p/b too. You do have to focus on the elements and do clearly understandable programs. You can be understandable and hated but not baffling and hated like B/S.
    Last edited: May 25, 2013
  5. dots

    dots Well-Known Member


    Close to D/W and V/M??? :slinkaway

    B/S got lucky that P/B were really set back by his injury and W/P had an off season + injury. I expect B/S to drop back to 5-7 next year. :eek:
  6. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    I didn't know Zlobina & Sitnikov left him... where did they go?? I didn't really love last year's programs, but they were making good progress overall.
  7. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

    The article makes it seem P&B always change coaches. Weren't they basically kicked out of the Zhulin camp because Zhulin could no longer coach non-Russian skaters leading up to Sochi?
  8. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    Yes - it was the Russian federation's choice, not Zhulin's or P&B's. And their recent switch was at the behest of the French fed.
  9. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    I didn't know about Z&S leaving Zhulin either. The FD he did for them in 2012 was brilliant, but the SD and FD this year were pretty underwhelming.

    At this point I'm just expecting them to pop up in Shpilband's camp like everyone else.
  10. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Great interview! Can't wait for August to see their new programs
    They had two of the best dances that season conceptually.
  11. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

    Thanks so much TAHbKA. Great interview.
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  12. vivika1982

    vivika1982 Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the interview TAHbKA. Zhulin and Orshulyak are very creative and without doubt the choreography is going to be great ...i am just very skeptical about B/S.
    They are still not even close to D/W and V/M maybe in the future or in some alternative universe or dimension but it is good thing that he is so optimistic
  13. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    He has to say that. What is he supposed to say? B/S are in third but there's no point in trying to move up? If you don't say that you're aiming for a higher placement it sounds like you've given up.
  14. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    I think it's good for a coach to say that sort of thing. It'll help motivate Bobrova/Soloviev because now they'll think they can achieve even better results. Even if they don't, they'll work really hard trying and that will only help them win the bronze and place high beyond 2014. He may also be trying to convince others that B/S really are that good which will help with their reputation in scoring and with Russian Federation support.
  15. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    They need no help in getting Russian federation support because they have been the chosen team since worlds 2010. No one can touch them in Russian nationals. They've never lost a SD or fd even when in competitions both before and after Russian nationals I/k have beaten them! So it's amazing how untouchable and unbeatable and how overwhelmingly the Russian federation supports them and basically sees them as the only team.

    They aren't even in a strong third so talking about besting v/m or d/w is really crazy. Nothing bad about talking about them solidifying their third place and beating c/l! The judges know what scores they're giving in pcs and how b/s aren't even close in any way.
    Last edited: May 26, 2013
  16. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Well, as a competitor during Ice Dance's most political and subjective era and as a coach to OGMs, I think Zhulin knows how to play the game. Maybe it's not as crazy as you think.
  17. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    If I see b/s pcs go up to 58 in a fd or v/m or d/w go down maybe some magic would've been performed! Lol! They don't even have to compete against each other to know if there was a change. If you see d/w pcs in a fd at 58 or 59 and b/s pcs at 52 or 53 that's going to be it when they actually compete against each other.
  18. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    I should clarify my post. I wasn't meaning to say that B/S would best V/M and D/W next season or anything. However, I do think he is selling his team and he probably knows how to do it well.
  19. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    I can see the selling of b/s in a post v/m d/w era and b/s being successful in getting above third then- so that aspect of the post is possible. Not crazy in that area. Post v/m d/w ice dance probably goes back to when 2006-2009 worlds top 5 or so could see a variation of 5 to 10 points not 20 to 30 like there is now.