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U.S. Ice Dance News & Notes - Summer 2013

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. Turbo-Mom

    Turbo-Mom Active Member

    The ISU Website shows A&E as 4th ranked United States Team in "World Ranking" and in "Seasons Best Ranking".
  2. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    The Reeds bumped Tobias/Stagniunas (Skate America) from the Top 24 SB list with their WTT score. T/S were ahead of K/G-S after the World Championships, with the Reeds down the list.

    The Announcement is contradictory, in that it says one the one hand that all of the Top 24 SB without two get a second in ranking order (assuming there aren't three from their country already, they aren't already assigned, etc.), but on the other hand, allows the host to choose from among the top five, regardless of ranking, and the hosts generally choose what is most expedient, i.e., lower-ranked skaters who aren't competition for their skaters and who are cheap to transport. Not only that, they don't have to offer a spot to everyone in the original top five before going to the next five: they replace the chosen skater with the newest, lowest-ranked skater to join the group of five.

    However, this season, 11 of the Top 24 don't have a second spot, with only four host spots left to assign, and with no guarantee that USFS will give its host spot to Hubbell/Donohue, and even if the hosts wanted to go below Top 24 SB and China decides to toss back its third spot, it will take three picks before the Top five isn't made entirely of teams in the top 24 SB, and more if USFS, the French Fed, and the Russian Fed don't assign their TBA's to skaters in this group. (The French Fed, i.e., DG, has its own criteria du jour for whether they'll even fill their TBA or toss it back into the pool, but Russia would be digging deep -- Pushkash/Guerriero are SB 39 -- to find a senior team outside Stepanova/Bukin, Monko/Khaliavin, or Sinitsina/Zhiganshin to which to assign the host pick.)

    Before any host TBAs are assigned, the first group of five is:

    Coomes/Buckland (SB 13, TEB)
    Stepanova/Bukin (SB 14, SC)
    Monko/Khaliavin (SB 15, TEB)
    Hubbell/Donohue (SB 17, SC)
    Sinitsina/Zhiganshin (SB 18, TEB)

    Next two, in case USFS and the Russian Fed assign TBA's from that group, are:

    Zlobina/Sitnikov (SB 19, SA)
    Papadakis/Cizeron (SB 20, RC)

    Of course, the French Fed might choose P/C for TEB, in which case

    Kolbe/Caruso (SB 21, JPN) could round out the first five.

    Then there's still

    Guignard/Fabbri (SB 22, CAN) and Heekin-Canedy/Dun (SB 23, RUS).

    To put it in perspective, last season there were two substitutions after the host TBAs were assigned (Orford/Williams for Nazarova/Nikitin and Zlovina/Sitnikov for Zahorski/Miart), because Tobias/Stagniunas were not replaced at Skate America. It wasn't even an Olympic season last year, and this year I'd expect skaters to hold onto their spots for dear life if for no other reason than to be well-placed for the next Olympic cycle. China is the only country with GP spots (only to CoC) that has to qualify at Nebelhorn; it could decide to toss even two spots back in if no one qualifies for the Olympics at Nebelhorn, which could be a nail-biter. (Does Neil Brown have CZE citizenship?)
  3. Conga

    Conga Member

    T/S were in 23rd and K/G-S were 24th before WTT, with both the Reeds and M/K achieving higher scores at WTT.
  4. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    Oh, I had forgotten that Monko/Khaliavin weren't already Top 24 before WTT and that the Reeds weren't the only one with the big score at WTT.

    Interesting that WTT TES don't count towards the new GP technical minimums.

    In any case, the chances of K/G-S getting into a group with a chance to be chosen are not great, given the number of Top 24 SB teams with one, since there were no splits or retirements and all 24 are senior teams this year. Pairs on the alternates lists, are "lucky" in that three of the Top 24 teams and SB 26 remain junior, while SB 25 split. (They have two split couples at the top of the list, though.)
  5. Conga

    Conga Member

    Thanks for the complete breakdown, kwanfan1818! I didn't understand the complexity of the remaining selection process. USFS still has an open option for the third slot/host pick, though, right?

    That is quite interesting and IMO makes it a bit contradictory to have counted the scores in the rankings. (If they hadn't, then K/G-S would have had an initial GP assignment, C/M could be given the SA host pick and I would be a happy camper) ;) I miss the "old days" with more slots for all the talent!

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

    ITa about more spots per event being better!
  7. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    USFS has one open TBA spot. They can assign it to any age-eligible US team that doesn't already have two. Minimum scores (total or technical) aren't required for host picks.

    WTT is 50/50:

    It can be used as a top 24 SB score or for the GP total minimum score.
    It can't be used for the GP technical minimums and doesn't earn WS points.
  8. rhumba

    rhumba New Member

    Wow! Impressive! I guess only behind D/W, C/B, Shibs? They're ranked ahead of H/D? I thought their ISU SB score was behind H/D, K/G-S,not in top 24 ?
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia Still recovering from Worlds...

    A/E have ISU Championship ranking points from 2013 Junior Worlds while H/D's season ended at Nationals.

    ISU Season's World Ranking for Ice Dance (2012-13 season): http://www.isuresults.com/ws/wr/wrdance.htm
    1 Davis/White 2400
    10 Chock/Bates 1404
    14 Shibutanis 1228
    21 Aldridge/Eaton 939
    28 Hubbell/Donohue 757
    29-tie Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt 745
    37 Hawayek/Baker 655 (JGP this season)
    43 McNamara/Carpenter 545 (JGP)
    57 Parsons/Parsons 351 (JGP)
    70 Cannuscio/McManus 213
    80-tie Pogrebinsky/Gudis 148 (JGP)
    84-tie Heritage/Fast 133
    88-tie Moore/Klaber 120 (JGP)
    98 W. Miller/K. MacMillan 97 (split - she has teamed up with Shane Firus CAN)

    ISU World Standings for Ice Dance (before the start of the 2013-14 season): http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsdance.htm
    2 D/W 3996
    9 S/S 2462
    13 C/B 1933
    18 A/E 1559
    20 H/D 1483
    32 K/G-S 1085

    ISU Judging System - Season Bests Total Scores 2012/2013
    1 189.56 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA World Championships 2013 16.03.2013
    8 164.91 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA ISU World Team Trophy 2013 12.04.2013
    9 159.97 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 10.02.2013
    17 145.23 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
    26 141.41 Lynn KRIENGKRAIRUT / Logan GIULIETTI-SCHMITT USA ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012 21.10.2012
    27 139.33 Alexandra ALDRIDGE / Daniel EATON USA World Junior Championships 2013 01.03.2013
    29 138.61 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER USA ISU JGP Pokal d. Blauen Schwerter 2012 13.10.2012
    35 134.09 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA ISU JGP Croatia Cup 2012 06.10.2012
    40 128.16 Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER USA ISU JGP Bosphorus 2012 22.09.2012
    49 122.37 Anastasia CANNUSCIO / Colin MCMANUS USA ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012 21.10.2012
    67 109.73 Elliana POGREBINSKY / Ross GUDIS USA ISU JGP Lake Placid 2012 01.09.2012
    80 103.04 Holly MOORE / Daniel KLABER USA ISU JGP Courchevel 2012 25.08.2012
    81 102.81 Madeline HERITAGE / Nathaniel FAST USA ISU JGP Lake Placid 2012 01.09.2012
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2013
  10. analia

    analia Well-Known Member

    Pretty sure China isn't going to give up the third dance slot. Yiyi Zhang/Nan Wu who was at JW for the past seasons have aged out of junior. They are likely to get that third spot. Even if China doesn't get an Olympics dance spot, one team is still going to be doing Olympics Team Event if I'm correct. France is definitely going to pick P/C for the TBA.

    I think the SA TBA will go to Lynn and Logan. I don't know why they had picked the Shibs for a SA spot when they are most certainly guaranteed two elsewhere. A/E should have gotten that spot and Lynn/Logan the third. All that aside, I fully believe A/E is the fourth best U.S. team at the moment.
  11. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    One result of spreading the GP wealth and limiting Senior B participation is that only the very top teams end up with high SB's and WS and the second GP chance.

    In 2011-12, USFS assigned D/W and had two TBD's to SA in the initial selection. The Shibs were assigned to back-to-back CoC and NHK. USFS later assigned H/D and Cannuscio/Lorello to SA. Returning split couples Chock/Bates (SC, TEB) and Samuelson/Gilles (CoC) were assigned from the top of the alternates list. That season, only groups of three (now five) were created after the Top 24 got a second, and the only non-host/non-returning split couple substitution was Tobias/Stagniunas for SA; they were SB 24.

    In 2012-13, USFS assigned D/W and K/G-S and had one TBA to SA in the initial selection. The Shibs and H/D (Top 12 at 2013 Worlds) were assigned to two (RC, NHK and SC, TEB), and Chock/Bates got CoC (20 SB). USFS later assigned Cannuscio/McManus to the TBA spot. Host picks no longer had to earn the GP (total) minimum score. No US teams were chosen from the alternates list, although C/B were in the Top Five and Top 24 SB. The next US couple down the SB list was K/G-S, and they were seven slots away from making the Top Five group.

    I'm assuming the Shibs were invited to SA this year because they train in the Detroit area, and they could draw a local crowd especially from their college classmates, as well as giving TV and marketing the "former Worlds bronze medalists" angle. It also get them early feedback in the Olympic season, lets them stay home with minimum interruption to their training schedule, and gives them a break to absorb the feedback and make any tweaks before Japan, where they're also popular and are competing with Davis/White. By definition, Zoueva has to be at four of six GP events, which is better than five or six of six; she may have had some influence there as well. It's interesting the C/B got the worst travel schedule of the US teams, going first to China, then to Russia, but at least they're three weeks apart, too.

    I don't see USFS pushing anyone new into the next Olympic cycle: they've already got the Shibs, C/B, and H/D (SC) in line with A/E on the way up and proven internationally, and while teams certainly improve, none of the other US teams have made much of a splash internationally or are highly competitive for an Olympic spot the way the field stands now. There's a boatload of points between K/L-S (5th US Nats) and the podium and another big gap between them and C/M (6th US Nats). Coming off a Jr. National championship and a Jr. World bronze, USFS might want to invest in A/E this year to introduce them to a wider TV audience and get them as much attention from senior international judging panels as possible, since there would have to be a rash of withdrawals for them to even make the Top Five alternates. A/E are also local, and it would be a good thing to support another area coaching team, especially one as accomplished as Krylova and Camerlengo. With no returning split couples in Dance, H/D have a reasonable shot to get an alternates spot if USFS is willing to use its influence, assuming there are at least a couple of withdrawals over the course of the GP season.
  12. Sedge

    Sedge Well-Known Member

    My observation is not exactly applicable to this thread...but staying Junior Internationally sets you up extremely well for the following season, despite the temptation to test the Senior waters.
    Placements in JGP will be higher than if you moved to the Senior GP (if still age eligible for JGP)..and builds both JGP and JGPF ( more entries that Sr GP) points.
    It is the reasoning behind some well placed National skaters staying Junior this season.
    It is a huge benefit in the post Olympic season.
  13. morqet

    morqet rising like a phoenix

    Tweet from the show at Novi today:

    I hope she's ok!
  14. Sylvia

    Sylvia Still recovering from Worlds...

    Last edited: Aug 9, 2013
  15. Sylvia

    Sylvia Still recovering from Worlds...

    "Ice-dancing sibling duo Alex and Maia Shibutani open up about their viral YouTube videos, how they survived ballroom dancing bootcamp and their secret to staying relaxed." Video (1 min. 40 secs): http://nbcolympics.com/video/shibutani-siblings-open-ballroom-bootcamp-and-more

    ETA the JGP dance assignments so far:

    Riga, Latvia:
    Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER
    Elliana POGREBINSKY / Ross GUDIS

    Mexico City:
    Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER
    Chloe LEWIS / Logan BYE

    Kosice, Slovakia:
    Holly MOORE / Daniel KLABER
    Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS

    Listed alternates:
    Tory PATSIS / Joseph JOHNSON
    Sammi WREN / Alexey SHCHEPETOV
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2013
  16. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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  17. Conga

    Conga Member

  18. TanithandBenFan

    TanithandBenFan Author of the Ice and Edge Series

    It hasn't been assigned yet. :confused: They'd better get it.....
  19. Sylvia

    Sylvia Still recovering from Worlds...

    Re-posting from the Champs Camp thread - tweeted by @Lynn Rutherford on Wednesday 8/21:
    Tweeted by Charlie White on Tuesday 8/20:
    ETA link to Madison Hubbell's blog thread - she wrote a new entry on 8/16 before Champs Camp: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...-Season-Blog&p=3974990&viewfull=1#post3974990

    Photo tweeted by USFS today (Friday 8/23) from Champs Camp: "@MadiHubbell and @ZachTDonohue doing a great job in the video studio!" http://instagram.com/p/dXUr9Jm33d/
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2013
  20. Conga

    Conga Member

    I'm confused with you, TanithandBenFan, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. If K/G-S were going to get the SA spot, I think it would have been assigned with all the other TBAs so that they could have benefited from attending Champs Camp.

    IIRC (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) before they changed the camp to be for Grand Prix skaters only, it included ALL Team A and B senior level athletes. It probably was a budget issue, but it's only a handful of additional skaters and it really is too bad that decision was made. IMO, all of the international competitors could benefit from what is understood to be comprehensive evaluations and feedback plus there has to be an associated psychological boost as well.
  21. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

    IIRC, when Champs Camp included all A and B athletes, they didn't do program evaluations. It was basically a team-building and informational event. Then after a few years, they made it more like a training camp. In the current format, it would probably be difficult to do evaluations for every Team A and B athlete/team in the time allotted. Currently, non-GP ISP skaters can receive program evaluations at selected summer comps and I believe there are also off-ice physical evaluations and seminars there, too. So all Team A and B skaters basically receive the same attention, just at different places. Since GP skaters are not required to do a summer comp (they previously had evals at their home rink), it makes sense to invite them to one place.
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia Still recovering from Worlds...

    Davis/White article that announced their 2013-14 program music yesterday: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2013/08/27/58610472

    Meryl Davis & Charlie White: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=38007&mode=P
    SD Music: Selections from Lerner and Loewe's My Fair Lady, including "I Could Have Danced All Night," "With a Little Bit of Luck" and "Get Me to the Church on Time"
    FD Music: "Scheherazade" by Rimsky-Korsakov
    Choreographers: Marina Zoueva, Derek Hough
    Coaches: Marina Zoueva, Oleg Epstein, Johnny Johns, Maurizio Margaglio (consultant)
    Salt Lake Senior B, Skate America, NHK Trophy

    Madison Chock & Evan Bates: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=40012&mode=P
    SD Music: "Hollywood" by Puppini Sisters, "There's No Business Like Show Business" by Irving Berlin
    FD Music: Selections from Les Misérables by various artists
    Coach & Choreographer: Igor Shpilband
    Cup of China, Rostelecom Cup

    Maia & Alex Shibutani: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=38026&mode=P
    SD Music: Michael Bublé medley
    FD Music: Michael Jackson medley
    More info on their programs/choreographers published on their official site: http://maiaandalex.com/2013-2014-program-announcement/
    Choreographers: Marina Zoueva, Corky Ballas (SD), Travis Payne, Stacy Walker (FD)
    Coaches: Marina Zoueva, Johnny Johns, Oleg Epstein
    Salt Lake Senior B, Skate America, NHK Trophy

    Madison Hubbell & Zach Donohue: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=39920&mode=P
    SD Music: "Mr. Pinstripe Suit", Maddest Kind of Love", and "Digga Digga Doo" by Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
    FD Music: "Nocturne/Bohemian Rhapsody" performed by violinist Lucia Micarelli
    Choreographers: Pasquale Camerlengo, Massimo Scali
    Coaches: Pasquale Camerlengo, Angelika Krylova, Elizabeth Punsalan, Natalia Deller, Massimo Scali
    Nebelhorn Trophy, Skate Canada

    Lynn Kriengkrairut & Logan Giulietti-Schmitt: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=38025&mode=P
    SD Music: "That Man" by Caro Emerald, "Jolie Coquine" by Caravan Palace
    FD Music: Selections from Spartacus by Aram Khachaturian
    Choreographer: Igor Shpilband
    Coaches: Igor Shpilband, Adrienne Lenda, Alexei Gorshkov, Barbara Fusar-Poli
    Salt Lake Senior B

    Anastasia Cannuscio & Colin McManus: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=39102&mode=P
    SD Music: "Puttin' on the Ritz" and "Get Happy" by Rufus Wainwright
    FD Music: Music from An American in Paris by George Gershwin
    Choreographers: Karen Ludington, Alexandr Kirsanov
    Coaches: Karen Ludington, Alexandr Kirsanov, Christie Moxley-Hutson
    Salt Lake Senior B

    Alexandra Aldridge & Daniel Eaton: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=39602&mode=P
    SD Music: Music from The Mask by various artists
    FD Music: Bollywood dance medley
    Choreographers: Pasquale Camerlengo, Massimo Scali
    Coaches: Angelika Krylova, Liz Swallow, Natalia Deller, Massimo Scali
    Ondrej Nepela (Sr B), Cup of China

    Other Senior teams listed in USFS' ISP (no bios at this time):

    Alissandra Aronow & Collin Brubaker
    SD Music: "Let's Face the Music/Unforgettable"
    FD Music: Love Story
    (Source: http://lpidc.ice-dance.com/main/program-notebook )
    Coaches/Choreographers: Marina Zoueva, Johnny Johns, Oleg Epstein

    Isabella Cannuscio & Michael Bramante
    SD Music: Selections from Harry Connick, Jr., including "It Had to be You"
    FD Music: Classical Waltz medley, including "Masquerade Waltz"
    (Sources: Article & http://lpidc.ice-dance.com/main/program-notebook )
    Coaches/Choreographers: Karen Ludington, Alexandr Kirsanov, Christie Moxley-Hutson

    Junior teams assigned to the JGP to date:

    Kaitlin Hawayek & Jean-Luc Baker: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=40411&mode=P
    SD Music: "Happy Feet" by Milton Ager and Jack Yellen, "It Had To Be You" by Harry Connick, Jr., "Sing Sing Sing"
    FD Music: Music from the Amelie soundtrack by Yann Tiersen
    Choreographers: Pasquale Camerlengo, Massimo Scali
    Coaches: Angelika Krylova, Massimo Scali, Liz Swallow, Natalia Deller, Pasquale Camerlengo
    JGP Mexico

    Lorraine McNamara & Quinn Carpenter: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=40273&mode=P
    SD Music: "Bublitchki" and "Chiribim Chiribom" by The Barry Sisters
    FD Music: "Discombobulate" by Hans Zimmer, "The Godfather Waltz" by Nino Rota
    Choreographers: Alexei Kiliakov, Elena Novak
    Coaches: Alexei Kiliakov, Elena Novak, Dmytri Ilin, Ramil Sarkulov
    JGP Latvia

    Holly Moore & Daniel Klaber: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=40220&mode=P
    SD Music: Music from the Chicago soundtrack by various artists
    FD Music: Perez Prado medley
    Choreographers: Pasquale Camerlengo, Angelika Krylova, Massimo Scali
    Coaches: Pasquale Camerlengo, Angelika Krylova, Massimo Scali, Liz Swallow, Natalia Deller
    JGP Slovakia

    Rachel & Michael Parsons: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=39906&mode=P
    SD Music: Music from the Funny Girl soundtrack by Jule Styne and Bob Merrill
    FD Music: Selections from The Twilight Saga by various artists
    Choreographers: Elena Novak, Alexei Kiliakov
    Coaches: Alexei Kiliakov, Elena Novak, Dmytri Ilin
    JGP Slovakia

    Elliana Pogrebinsky & Ross Gudis:
    SD Music: "The Pink Panther" by Henry Mancini, "Jumping at the Woodside" by Chacra Music
    FD Music: "El Conquistador" by Maxime Rodriguez, "Para Mi Nicole" by Esperanza
    Choreographers: Alexei Kiliakov, Elena Novak
    Coaches: Alexei Kiliakov, Elena Novak, Dmytri Ilin
    JGP Latvia

    Chloe Rose Lewis & Logan Bye: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=40551&mode=P
    PD Music: "Call Me Irresponsible" by Bobby Darin, "Oh Marie" by Michael Bublé
    FD Music: Theme from Schindler's List by John Williams, "Dance for Me Wallis" from the W.E. soundtrack by Abel Korzeniowski
    Choreographer: Igor Shpilband
    Coaches: Judy Blumberg, Ikaika Young, Igor Shpilband
    JGP Mexico

    Tory Patsis & Joseph Johnson: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=40552&mode=P
    SD Music: "Shake that Thing" by Vince Giordano and the Nighthawks, "Booty Swing" by Parov Stelar
    FD Music: The Chemical Brothers medley
    Choreographers: Christopher Dean, Trina Pratt
    Coaches: Patti Gottwein, Trina Pratt
    JGP Belarus

    Junior teams currently listed as JGP alternates:

    Sammi Wren & Alexey Shchepetov: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=40553&mode=P
    SD Music: "Mr. Pinstripe Suit" by Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
    FD Music: Selections from the Les Misérables soundtrack by various artists
    Coaches & Choreographers: Slava Uchitel, Oleg Fediukov

    Julia Biechler & Damian Dodge - no bio
    SD Music: ?
    FD Music: Smile/The Artist soundtrack
    (Source: http://lpidc.ice-dance.com/main/program-notebook )

    These are the 18 teams listed in USFS' International Selection Pool (ISP).
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2013
  23. LilJen

    LilJen Reaching out with my hand sensitively

    For D/W everyone must bring chocolate to the arena. Eat upon hearing the line "Lots of chocolate for me to eat. . . " (if it makes it into the score). I think they'll do great with these choices, although Schez is definitely overused. Hopefully (well, there's a minuscule bit of hope) they'll use at least SOME lesser-used parts of it.

    :blah: Chock/Bates. Yet another Les Mis.
  24. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    For an icy cold arena I would more likely need lots of coal making lots of heat
  25. blancanieves

    blancanieves Well-Known Member

    Icenetwork is missing one selection. From their Facebook page (8/23/13):

  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Still recovering from Worlds...

    ^^^ Thanks! I've edited in their info on FB. Hopefully H&D have submitted their updated Short Dance music to USFS to be added to their Team USA bio. ETA: That is, assuming the SD & FD music listed on their FB as of 8/23 received the "final stamp of approval" at Champs Camp. :)
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2013
  27. LilJen

    LilJen Reaching out with my hand sensitively

    Heh, yes, but WITH the chocolate. And one enormous chair wouldn't hurt, but that might be expensive. (Although, duh, that song isn't even listed, argh.)
  28. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

    So we get a Twilight FD from the Parsons? :rofl: I'm not familiar with that soundtrack, but I can't wait to see it.
  29. LilJen

    LilJen Reaching out with my hand sensitively

    ^Oh boy, I didn't even see that. Depending on how they play it, it could be right up there with the most.uncomfortable.sibling.programs.EVER. (And it's not like the Twilight relationship between the two main characters is exactly healthy to begin with!)
  30. Sylvia

    Sylvia Still recovering from Worlds...

    Chock/Bates will compete at Finlandia Trophy, as confirmed on USFS' International Assignments page today.