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U.K. General Election June 8th

Discussion in 'Politically Incorrect' started by SHARPIE, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. SHARPIE

    SHARPIE In through the out door... Staff Member

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    Just announced! Yay! Theresa May says she's calling it for the sake of "unity" in Parliament over Brexit.

    Good call imo!
     
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  2. Lorac

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    All the polls are showing the Conservatives leading by 20% or so. This should give May a decisive win and a huge majority. Whether that is good or bad is going to be a hugely debatable point.
     
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  3. allezfred

    allezfred Master/Mistress of Sneer Staff Member

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    I have seen some Tory politicians suggesting a big win for May will give her an upper hand in negotiations with the EU27 which is a bit WTF. :confused:
     
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  4. Vagabond

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    That is probably the best reason they can come up with for voting Tory other than plastering Jeremy Corbyn's picture on every wall between Lands End and John O'Groats. :shuffle:
     
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  5. SHARPIE

    SHARPIE In through the out door... Staff Member

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    I see Nicola Sturgeon isn't happy about it all and accusing Theresa May of putting her own and her party's interests in front of the country.

    :rofl: pot, kettle, black. She's been out swerved by a proper politician, hoping for landslide losses for the SNP.

    I did roll my eyes like crazy at the thought of another election this morning but if it annoys Nicola Sturgeon then I like it on principle. :lol:
     
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  6. UMBS Go Blue

    UMBS Go Blue CLINTON / KWEEN 2016! YES WE KWAN!

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    Just doing the math...

    Here are current polling trends:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

    Just plug in any number of scenarios in this swingometer:
    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/swingometer/2015

    All of these things would have to happen for May not to win a majority:
    1) The Tories fall into the low 30s in the polls, if not lower
    2) One, and only one, of Labour or the Lib Dems exceeds this low Tory vote share
    3) The other of the two (Labour or Lib Dems) implodes completely, that is, polls in the single digits

    Crazier things have happened, but your guess is as good as mine as to whether either Labour or the Lib Dems can manage to claw their way back above the Tories in the polls by 8 June.

    Even if the Tories fall a lot in the polls, they should retain a sizeable vote share (>30%, if not >40%). It is also likely that Labour and the Lib Dems will split the opposition vote between them (unless one of the two implodes completely) just enough that the Tories win out - and win big.
     
  7. Fiero425

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    Thatcher used to pull this when she was strong and the opposition weak! Too bad we can't have that "re-assurance" vote here in THE STATES! Heaven knows, there has to be plenty of "buyer's remorse!" :40beers: :lynch: :mitchell:
     
  8. SHARPIE

    SHARPIE In through the out door... Staff Member

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  9. SHARPIE

    SHARPIE In through the out door... Staff Member

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    Been Unfollowing sooo many people on Facebook - sick to death already of the "if you vote Tory- you drown kittens and want disabled people to die in the gutter" shite.
     
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  10. Asli

    Asli Well-Known Member

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    Isn't there a minimun interval such as three months between an election decision and the actual elections? Seven weeks seems a bit too short for the whole process and propaganda period.

    IMO it's a good idea for the government to seek a strong mandate for Brexit. However Theresa May should participate in TV debates. The excuse of "I'll just go and see the voters" doesn't hold water. Surely she can spare a few hours for the 60 million or so Brits that she won't be able to see.

    Politicians fear debates and once they get rid of the tradition it's difficult to bring them back.
     
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  11. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    I can't remember the statutory limits or find them quickly on the Internet, but there are minimum and maximum time limits between calling an election and actually staging it. IIRC, the maximum is about seven or eight weeks, and the minimum is (or used to be) about five weeks.
     
  12. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    ..... :D and then there is a PI section of FSU...... "if you vote Conservative-X - you drown kittens and want disabled people to die in the gutter" shite. :EVILLE:
     
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  13. Louis

    Louis Well-Known Member

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    As an American, I FANTASIZE about seven-week (v. 3.5-year) election cycles.

    But I do hear your point; 2-3 debates should be customary.
     
  14. Reuven

    Reuven Official FSU Alte Kacher

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    Wouldn't that be loverly?
     
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  15. Miezekatze

    Miezekatze Well-Known Member

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    But I think TV debates are not necessarily common in every Country, in Germany nobody did those between the top candidates the last decades, they only good a bit more common when we started to copy the US a bit :p). But I don't think there's ever more than one with the 2 top chancellor candidates before the election (there of course are some tv shows where politicians take part, but usually not the top candidates). I don't know how this is in Britain btw.

    I tried Sharpies link for fun, acting as if I was from England, and got 50% Green, 30% Liberal Democrats and 20% Labour :rofl: (but I would not harass Sharpie on Facebook :p I even got a rabid Republican Trump fan as a Facebook friend, I think I could tolerate a Tory voter ;) :lol: )
     
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  16. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    I can't resist a political quiz so I said I was voting in England and gave a postal code for Oxford. :lol:

    60% Lib Dem
    20% Green
    20% Labour
     
  17. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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  18. JJH

    JJH Well-Known Member

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    50% Liberal Democrat
    40% Green
    10% Conservative

    One of these things is not like the others.
     
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  19. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    The last time I tried something like this, it said I was something like 83% Sinn Féin. :scream:

    I'll stick to U.S. political parties, thank you very much. :saint:
     
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  20. Miezekatze

    Miezekatze Well-Known Member

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    I always like taking such polls.

    I took an American one recently for fun (not designed with parties, but with location on political spectrum) and ended up as a "Left Liberitarian", about 1 millimeter to the right of an area that was labelled "anarcho communist" :rofl:

    In Germany on local state polls, that measure the consensus with political parties, I recently always got results like:

    80% Left party
    70-something % Green Party
    70-something % social democrats
    50 % Liberitarians
    40 something % right wing populists
    38% conservatives (party of Angela Merkel) :p

    But I would never vote for the Left party, cause they are practically socialists :p

    And I'm always :rofl: about Angela Merkels party always ending up behind the right wing populists, but I suppose that's cause of their religious background, as an :EVILLE: atheist I strong disapprove of any meddling of religion and politics. I might have some consensus with the right wing populists on economic issues, which might bring them higher.

    I'm very curious about the results on our nation-wide poll for this year, it doesn't exist yet, cause the parties haven't come up with their complete programs yet.

    But our polls for something like that are really bad in comparison to this UK one, they only ask very simple questions about very simplified issues. I was positively surprised by how complex this UK poll is designed!
     
  21. SHARPIE

    SHARPIE In through the out door... Staff Member

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  22. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    There's really no choice at this point is there? The first quiz seems to have been made before the referendum so doesn't even offer concerns about how its handled.

    I don't align with the Conservative Party on issues (at least the ones I answered, I didn't do "economic") but that doesn't mean I think they are the devil. From a US-centric point of view, I thought Cameron was fine until he called that fool referendum. The Conservatives are a functioning party, which seems to be becoming rarer in democracies these days.
     
  23. Jot the Dot Dot

    Jot the Dot Dot Headstrong Buzzard

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    Ouch! I took the poll, and it has me 50% Conservative, 42%.......LABOUR? Not to mention 42% UKIP, 40% Liberal-Democrat, 35% Green and 28% SNP. Guess my libertarian views threw them off (that, and wanting to change the National Anthem to "In The Court Of The Crimson King" ).
     
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  24. JJH

    JJH Well-Known Member

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    78% Labour
    76% Liberal Democrat
    70% Green
    68% SNP
    57% Plaid Cymu
    51% Sinn Fein
    51% Conservative
    41% UKIP
    22% British National

    What the heck does this mean?
     
  25. antmanb

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    100% Green :eek: I'm quite surprised because I selected EU, NHS, Economy and something else I forget (!) as my key issues and still I got 100% Green :lol:

    I guess that helps me decide what to vote. I'd never vote Tory so that's out for me. I can't in good conscience vote for Jeremy Corbyn because he's such a spectacular failure at doing any thing at all about anything. I used to be staunchly Lib Dem until Nick Clegg got in bed with the Tories and Tim Farron's wavering stance on LGBT rights leaves me party-less.

    I think i'll just vote Green. Our constituency is pretty much guaranteed to go Labour anyway.
     
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  26. MacMadame

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  27. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    One can never have too many parties. :summer::40beers::nopryde:

    Oh, wait, you mean....

    :duh: :X3:
     
  28. allezfred

    allezfred Master/Mistress of Sneer Staff Member

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    It's not pronounced plaid. More like plied. It's the Welsh nationalist party.
     
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  29. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

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    How can it be Welsh? There are not only an appropriate amount of vowels, you could argue there are extra! ;)

    On a serious note, I was surprised by now many questions could have been taken right off a survey of US political parties. I expect more stuff that wouldn't apply to us like NHS issues and the royal family and the EU. Even the stuff that was there about that sometimes had parallels to what is going on in the US.
     
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