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Tyson Gay test positive for banned substance

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Domshabfan, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. Domshabfan

    Domshabfan A proud P/C fan

  2. kylet3

    kylet3 Well-Known Member

    When will they ever learn? SMH...
  3. allezfred

    allezfred Master/Mistress of Sneer Staff Member

    Rumour has it that two Jamaican Olympic gold medallists have also failed drug tests. #pleaseanyonebutbolt
  4. SpeedySucks

    SpeedySucks Active Member

    This is really unfortunate. Whatever he tested positive for, it must be bad since he's not even waiting for the 'B' sample or trying to claim innocence. I was sad for Tyson last year when he finished 4th in the 100m behind Doper Gatlin, but I guess this just serves as a reminder that almost everyone is cheating. I'm disappointed that we won't get to see the Bolt-Gay showdown in Moscow, which would have been great publicity for the sport since this is the first time in 5 years that Bolt has had a legitimate challenger in a major championship.

    I assume this is in addition to Campbell-Brown, which means that the failed drug tests have to be from Bolt, Fraser (who has already failed a drug test in the past), or other members of the men's 4x100m relay team. If Bolt tests positive, they might as well remove track from the Olympics, because the sport will be all but dead.
  5. Domshabfan

    Domshabfan A proud P/C fan

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  6. Garden Kitty

    Garden Kitty Tranquillo

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  7. duane

    duane Well-Known Member

    For heavens sakes!! Can't help but wonder if anyone is clean in track and field!
  8. asdf334

    asdf334 Active Member

    Wouldn't be a shocker at all if not. Athletes have huge incentives for using PEDs, and when you know 'everyone' else is doing it, what can you do besides use them yourself if you want to be competitive? People that know what they're doing know how to pass the tests. Maybe I'm just too jaded to really care, but after all the incidents, I just take it as part of the nature of the beast.
  9. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    I always felt atleast 70% of international level sprinters dope, and 95% of those in even outside contention for individual medals do. There are only very are exceptions like Allyson Felix IMO. That is why I feel sorry for people like Marion Jones who get scapegoated for doing what everyone else was, and who are far more talented, superior, and classy than the others to boot; or the rare ones who are clean like Felix and would achieve even more if the playing field was level between them and all others.
  10. SpeedySucks

    SpeedySucks Active Member

    International news sources are now reporting that Nesta Carter has also tested positive.
  11. allezfred

    allezfred Master/Mistress of Sneer Staff Member

    Shocked about Powell, but the positive (for want of a better word) is that people using banned substances are now being found out quicker than before.

    To suggest that athletics will be dropped from the Olympics is quite frankly ridiculous though. :p
  12. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Do you think the IOC will ever suspend Track and Field from the Olympics until they get their stuff together (or at least hide it better) or is it just too much of a money-maker, high-profile sport to ever be suspended?
  13. SpeedySucks

    SpeedySucks Active Member

    Interesting that the Jamaicans are testing positive for stimulants, which is the same thing that 4 Jamaicans (including Yohan Blake) were busted for in 2009.
  14. ilovepaydays

    ilovepaydays Well-Known Member

    Doesn't Swimming have doping problems this bad? Their races are determined by the same slim margins.
  15. DarrellH

    DarrellH New Member

    Take away the money, endorsements and such, and watch the number of incidents drastically drop.
  16. SpeedySucks

    SpeedySucks Active Member

    Swimming hasn't had a widespread problem with doping since the East Germans in the 70s and 80s and the Chinese women in the 90s. Since then, positive tests have been very rare. The most recent high-profile cases were Cesar Cielo in 2011, who was unfortunately cleared to compete anyway, and Jessica Hardy in 2008. I can't remember the last time a top American male swimmer failed a drug test, aside from Gary Hall's positive for pot in the late-90s.

    I'm sure there are top swimmers who cheat, but if the problem in swimming were as widespread as it is in track, I think there would be a lot more positive tests.
  17. allezfred

    allezfred Master/Mistress of Sneer Staff Member

    Or maybe the testing is better? :shuffle:
  18. Buzz

    Buzz Well-Known Member

    Shocked and heart broken about Powell.
  19. canbelto

    canbelto Well-Known Member

    Ugh at this news, although given Gay's surprising improvements in times over the past year, not surprising.
  20. Seerek

    Seerek Well-Known Member

    Just last week, Tyson ran 9.79 to beat Asafa Powell (9.88) to win Diamond League Lausanne 100m, and ran 9.75 to win the 100m at the U.S. Track and Field Championships. Guess that improvement was too good to be true...
  21. liv

    liv Well-Known Member

    I'm afraid to see the news these days just in case I find out one day that Bolt is guilty too.

    Sometimes you just want to believe that there are freaks of nature (and I mean that in a good way) who can do things that require a suspension of disbelief. I want to believe he is one of those, like Michael Phelps seems to be. I know that the majority of these runners are "helped" but sometimes you want to be less jaded and believe that sometimes it isn't the drugs...
  22. sequins

    sequins Active Member

    Funny you say that they interviewed Donovan Bailey the other day he was very disappointed and stunned at these positive test and doesn't understand why veteren guys like these 2 would risk all they've accomplished but he said he whole-heartedly believes that Bolt is like Phelps and Tiger Woods. Just that gifted, from such a young age. I hope he's right.

    I'm not shocked by Powell's positive test but I must say I'm extremely disappointed in Tyson Gay. Sad.
  23. canbelto

    canbelto Well-Known Member

    The ONLY reason I have to think that Bolt might actually be clean is that he doesn't have the classic "marker" of a doper -- dramatic time increases in a short amount of time, inevitably accompanied by a "new training regimen." He's been superhumanly fast for a long time and basically has maintained those times without suspect drops and improvements.

    Tyson Gay, on the other hand, seemed stuck at the 3rd/4th place level until this year, when he started pulling 9.69. Should have raised a red flag to doping authorities.

    And while we're at it we will never know since she's no longer with us but Flo Jo really had the classic doping pattern -- again, an okay to good runner stuck in times and then wham! World records that no female sprinter has even come close to breaking.
  24. SpeedySucks

    SpeedySucks Active Member

    Gay won the World titles in the 100m and 200m at the 2007 World Championships. Since then, aside from a brief period in 09-10 when he ran 9.69 at 2009 Worlds and beat Bolt in 2010, he's been injured. The times that he is running this year are in line with what he ran when he was healthy in 2009.

    I think Bolt is insanely talented, but I also think he is doping. Almost every one of the sprinters who has finished behind Bolt in the last 5 years has tested positive at some point. It's very hard for me to believe that a clean Bolt is just that much better than everyone else who is cheating, just like I never thought a clean Lance Armstrong was better than all of the dopers who finished behind him. I tend to think all of the top sprinters are mostly on the same playing field--they're all doping, and Bolt is the best of the bunch.
  25. canbelto

    canbelto Well-Known Member

    Yes but my point was Gay is 30, and it's unusual for someone to make such rapid improvements in time after coming off an injury. Perhaps he thought PED's would "speed up" his recovery.

    As for Bolt I see your point. But Bolt's times have also been extremely consistent over long periods. If anyone makes me more suspicious it's Yohan Blake, because he did have the rapid improvements in time and also, I believe, a "new trainer." I don't know, maybe I just desperately don't want to believe Bolt is doping and there is at least ONE clean runner in the sport.
  26. morqet

    morqet rising like a phoenix

    Bolt has been running insane times since he was a junior - in 2002 he ran the 200m in 20.58 aged 15, and when he was 16 he was running similar times to the ones Michael Johnson was running aged 20. So either he is a super human freak of nature, or you have to think that he was doping from his teens.

    I am more inclined to think that he's clean. He has a huge stride length. His actual leg speed might be slower than that of his rivals, but his great advantage is his height in the sprinter mould. He is the one athlete who probably is clean and can achieve what he has done without drugs.