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The Mirai Nagasu thread

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by usova94gold, Jul 16, 2013.

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  1. os168

    os168 Active Member

    I am cautiously optimistic for Mirai, I think her pair of programs are better fit for her than last 2 seasons and it is good to see she go out there with the 3F-3T this early in the season. Yes many are familiar with her UR problems - need be fixed asap. The score are not going to be high this early in the season as consistent with her pattern, but she has shown she can come back and manage her condition, like her 2nd GP spot at NHK last year at last minute where she medalled.

    It is time to step up Mirai. It is really now or never, no more excuses. Thematically, the Free skate has so much potential but need a lot of work and more than a few tweaks. (7 medley cut seems too many without coherent plot/story/sense in choreography. The whole thing need to gel better) Medley are great for mood variation, display varied expression, character building, moves should not be throw away onto the next elements but how to strand a new unique program that will be memorable and watchable. She has tons of personality off ice, she just need to bring it to ice and be confident in her own brand of performance (not being told she should act like a Michelle Kwan. Biggest mistake I think that had hurt her last 3 seasons, trying to live up to that... impossible!)

    I came across this great fan vid to Yuna's bond recently, and thought it may be a great inspiration to Mirai at probably also her final season. the Olympic Season. (I'd love to see her Olympic Behind the scene Videos Part 2 - four years on)


    Observe the pizzazz, the confidence, the drama; the flirty playfulness, the epic quality in the power, speed and grace displayed by Yuna's Bond. Each move seems to have intention and purpose, not just in form only - never merely going through the motion. But also observe the struggle, the buildup, one step at a time progression which are inevitable, just have to rise to the occasion. Take notes from the bests. Mirai need to develop those sparkle in her FS desperately. She has the potential, just need to tap into her Ninja Assassin mode that exist in her blood heritage surely (along with her Carmen and Pirate genes :D). She need to give out more of that devastating Bond vibe and attitude to charm the audience/judges, Mirai can be a total entertainer as she proven during the previous Olympic season, she can totally do it with a bit more conviction. Come on Mirai, come back bright, come back right, come back strong!! If you don't have the jump in the beginning but at least impress the crowd with an inspired memorable performance and the PCS will shoot up surely. Be hungry, be starving, be dying to go out there and prove everyone wrong!! I want to see that spirited Mirai, and with these programs, we might see her.

    Personally I'd love to see a Bond Thriller @ Sochi! Perfect complementary program during this Snowden age.
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2013
  2. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    I love Mirai and would love to see her on the US team. With 3 spots available, she at least has a chance to make the team. I just hope that at the nationals the USFSA will not hold her past struggles against her. If she skates well, I hope she will get the marks she deserves. Let the chips fall where they may.
  3. icellist

    icellist Active Member

  4. PairSk8Fan

    PairSk8Fan Banned Member

    Mirai does not appear to have improved at all since 2010, when at US Nationals she scored only 118 points in the FS and barely made that Olympic team.

    Her great skates at the 2008 Nationals and 2010 Olympics to me appear to be flukes. She has not corrected the terrible arch in her low back when she does flip and lutz, she has not learned those jumps on consistent, correct entrance edges, she still UR's and two-foots nearly 33% of her triples and has not developed any new footwork or spins.

    Mirai 2013 still looks an awful lot like Mirai from 2010 US Nationals FS.

    No improvement seen so far.

    I edited to correct my facts of the FS, where Mirai scored about 118 points.
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2013
  5. lahaa968

    lahaa968 Active Member

    :huh: Actually, she scored around 118 for her free skate at the 2010 US Nationals, and made the Olympic team by about 4 points...I wouldn't say that's "barely" making the Olympic team.

    I don't think Mirai's great skates were flukes at all. She's simply an up-and-down skater. Her great skates include 2008 Nationals, 2010 Olympics FS, 2010 Worlds SP, 2011 Nationals SP, 2011 4CC FS, and 2012 NHK FS.

    Yes, she does have issues with her Lz/F takeoff edges, and certainly with UR, but I think overall you're being too harsh.

    While I agree that certainly her overall skating has not improved as much as we all would have liked/expected it to by this point in time, I don't think she's been entirely stagnant. I find her to look much more confident and solid than her earlier years' performances (and I quote that from Chris Howarth's UK EuroSport commentary from the 2012 NHK).

    Mirai's flexibility is still present, in fact I think her layback has even more extension now. (http://youtu.be/qc6Bcnjhj0k?t=4m31s

    Also, her footwork is also improved (she scored a level 4 on it at 2013 Nationals), she was having a hard time scoring higher than level 2 (see her FS at the 2010 Olympics).

    Mirai certainly has everything that it takes. When the package opens, everyone better watch out. She will shut it down. It may take her a little while, yes, but not every skater has a linear career. Look at Carolina Kostner...people had been touting her talent since the 2003 Euro's and she really only started to achieve her potential by around the 2011 Worlds. I wish her the best, and I can't wait to see her blossom.

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  6. os168

    os168 Active Member

    *sniffles* Oh I miss this Mirai...


    and will always adore the kiss and cry part with Frank. (The Chinese commentator speculated if the long time judging announcement were due to UR check and mentioned Mirai lost the Cup of China that year because of it)
  7. leapfrogonice

    leapfrogonice Active Member

    She has said how much she loves drawing and art. So cool and very admirable that she would take on the monumentally important task of creating her Free Skate dress for an Olympic season.
  8. Jarrett

    Jarrett Firebird for worlds!

    Any clue if Mirai will be assigned to a Senior B this year? I guess Salt Lake is full already.
  9. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    If Mirai gets high marks from international judges this season, it may improve her chances of getting high marks by the USFSA judges at the nationals. She absolutely cannot afford multiple ur's this season. I am rooting for her to make the Olympics team.
  10. Yazmeen

    Yazmeen Well-Known Member

    That Bond program has great potential; however, it was typical Mirai of the last couple of years; she did all the moves, but no emotion, no facial expression, no punch to the program. That is a program that has to be ACTED, just like Yu Na's short from 2010. I swear, does Mirai really even want to be out there anymore? She has the talent, she has the ability, but she keeps acting like she's in pain having to skate at all. If she is even going to have a shot for Sochi, she has to really up the expression - she has to WANT it. I'm not really sure she does.
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  11. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Isn't this the start of a new season and some new programs? A skater has to feel comfortable with a program before he/she starts expressing freely on the ice. You are comparing Yu na's Olympic program which had a LOT more mileage than Mirai's new program which has no mileage at all.
  12. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

    I've had that question about Mirai since about 2010. I don't get from her that she really wants it as bad as some of the other skaters do.
  13. Mirai4life

    Mirai4life New Member

  14. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

    I predict just as in seasons past, Mirai will start to get her groove on by the 2nd GP assignment. That will give her some credibility with the USFSA and she'll be a podium contender (again) by the time Nationals rolls around.
  15. leapfrogonice

    leapfrogonice Active Member

    Peaking at the right time is pretty key. It pays to start with a strong impression, but especially in singles (And more so than in say Dance) it seems to be about "doing the jumps" when it counts.
  16. euterpe

    euterpe Well-Known Member

    Mirai has had a pattern of one good GP and one not-so-good one. How she does in the GP isn't a good predictor of how she will perform at Nationals. GP performances don't really matter that much anyway---it's only how a skater does at Nationals that counts.
  17. lahaa968

    lahaa968 Active Member

    Quite true. In fact, one of Mirai's best performances (2010 Nationals), was after a rather dismal GP season all around (for both GP's).
  18. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

    I was basing my views on last season where she kept getting better and medalled at NHK, only to be battling the flu at Nationals. I think she would've been back on the podium had she been healthy.
  19. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    I don't think Nagasu can afford to be anything less than solid in all her competitions this coming season. Not with the way she skated and disappointed at the last couple of seasons. Hicks and Gao have been consistent including with their 3/3s and rarely get UR calls.
  20. kwanatic

    kwanatic Well-Known Member

    I agree. She was looking stronger and stronger with each competition and I do think she would have put up a better fight in the FS if she hadn't been sick.

    I agree with this as well. It's a tall order to fill but Mirai needs to look great at her first event and get even better in her 2nd one. She's too far down the list of potentials for that 3rd spot right now. I think Agnes, Christina and Courtney all have a much better shot of getting that 3rd spot than Mirai does right now. All 3 have 3-3s and far less UR issues than Mirai. But none of them can match Mirai's brilliance when she is "on"...granted it's been a very long time since she's been on but the potential/ability is still there.

    I wonder what Mirai's plans will be after this season? Will she continue to compete, hoping to pull a Carolina or Akiko (find her stride in her mid-20s), or will she retire and continue doing shows?
  21. rosewood

    rosewood Well-Known Member

    ITA, kwanatic. I wonder how her mom is doing. I've been wishing her full recovery.
  22. change of edge

    change of edge Member

    The more I watch Mirai's programs, the more I like them. Especially her SP. I didn't notice before, but in her first combo spin the variations are perfectly timed to the music. I'm getting more excited for her on the GPs!
  23. Sasha'sSpins

    Sasha'sSpins Well-Known Member

    Wow! Kudos to Mirai for making her own dresses - and in the Olympic season no less!

    On the other hand - it breaks my heart a little that she's making her own dresses. I guess she can't really afford dressmakers or certainly not designers like a Vera Wang. Wish she could. I would've loved to see what Vera Wang would have come up with for Mirai.

    Well put! :respec:

    Same here. The programs are starting to grow on me a little bit especially the LP.
  24. rosewood

    rosewood Well-Known Member

    Seems you are in Mirai's trap. She's just PRETENDING.:D Not necessary for your heart to be broken ;)
  25. Sasha'sSpins

    Sasha'sSpins Well-Known Member

    :lol: Woops! Didn't catch the hashtag! Well I'm glad - heart breaking a little no more! :D
  26. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    I don't necessarily know that that means she didn't really make it. Fake it till you make it can mean she's pretending to be a -legit- designer, even though she's really just an amateur one. Or act like a rich skater princess until one day you are a rich skater princess.

    She very well might have done the stoning herself. Or added a few of them.
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2013
  27. rosewood

    rosewood Well-Known Member

    Yeah, she might have tried stoning some of them and it might be fun for her.:)
  28. Sasha'sSpins

    Sasha'sSpins Well-Known Member

    OT but I've always wanted to learn how - stoning and embroidering especially jeans. :D
  29. kwanoverrated

    kwanoverrated Banned Member

    I like Mirai alot but I think to make Olympics team and contend for medal in Sochi she needs perfect skates of her best caliber and mistakes by others both at Nationals and the Games.

    Mirai has done some good performances in the last couple years. NHK this season especialy. Maybe you are assuming her being on or at her best is a level of skater she used to be say around her peak in 2010-2011, but she just isnt as good a skater as she used to be anymore even when she is on, and her new on is not what you are thinking it is. People are spoiled by Kim and Asada being at their best still mid 20s after being underaged teen phenoms and might think that is normal for ladies skating but it is not. Ladies skaters tend to peak for a few years, then decline. Mirai probably has as well. The on you are imagining is probably something that isnt even within her abilities now. I think NHK minus maybe a couple of URs is what an on Mirai looks like now. Which would probably overtake even Gaos best, but could still lose to any of Wagner, Gold, Zawadski, and maybe an improved Courtney at yours. I dont think she is capable of skating at the level of the 2010 Olympics, 2010 Worlds short skate, and 2011 Four Continents, even if she were really on anymore. She isnt as good a skater as she then anymore to put it blunt.

    Also the other thread you were talking how Agnes could win the last 3 Nationals but now saying she isnt as good as an on Nagasu, so I am a little confused on your views on her. You seem to rate her highly then you dont.
  30. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    I tend to agree, I think Mirai may have peaked at 16 and it's not realistic for her to regain that same kind of energy and body type she had back in 2010 now. Yuna and Mao were very blessed with their bone structures and body builds, plus they both went through their transitional period slowly and gradually, and generally grew up physically at a younger age than Mirai. Mirai looks in shape now but while in 2010, she was similar in build to Yuna and Mao, now you can tell she is a much sturdier frame, bigger bones, shoulders, etc. compared to either of them. That's not going to go away even if she were to lose weight, which I don't think is even the problem because she looks in shape. In 2010 she had just shot up several inches the year before and had finally adjusted to her new height, but hadn't really filled out yet, so she was fast and light and the jumps, which have always been of questionable quality and rotation, were at their best. Plus 16 year olds have lots of energy, and Mirai doesn't have that super-intense killer instinct personality Jenny and Dave like to talk about that Yuna definitely, and even Mao somewhat, do have. She could maybe make the team as the 3rd member and with a good skate could place in the top 10 at the Olympics, but I think the days of her being a real contender on the World stage are over.
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