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The Dance Hall part 3: Ice Dance Fans 2016-2017

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Dobre, Nov 23, 2016.

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  1. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    According to Chock/Bates' conference call, they changed the middle part of their FD to make it more "romantic".
     
  2. Spun Silver

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    Hmmm..I wonder if this means they added more "IGOR ESQUE" percussion to the music in that section or if theyadded choreography to reflect that and changed some of the step sequence.. I couldn't listen to the rest of the TELCON after Dave's little "Hi, Madi and Zach" slip up. I get second hand embarrassment very easily:rofl:
     
  4. levineismine

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    Just a reminder that the dance event at the Mentor Torun cup starts today and will be livestreamed (4pm local time) here http://www.mentorcup.pl/live-video
    Top 3 should be interesting with Hurtado/Khaliavin, Muramoto/Reed, and Kaliszek/Spodyriev
     
  5. Miloune

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    Ok I'm bringing this here because it's more relevant than in PC's thread.

    Everybody think it's curious that the complaint was taken into consideration. My question is : is there a way to know for sure if a complaint was filed? Shouldn't we have access to an official statement? Because the only thing we have is "after review by the referee and technical panel, it was confirmed that..." and they don't mention anyone.
    So is this because what they did is shadowy or what?
    I am just asking out of curiousity about how does it work usually.
     
  6. martyross

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    I hope we get an Ivana Komova interview out of this.
     
  7. blancanieves

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    According to the comments in IFS, the complaint was filed by the French Federation.

    https://www.facebook.com/IFSmagazin...78550292537/10155688005627538/?type=3&theater
     
  8. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    In the comments section IFS says the Russians filed the complaint.

    International Figure Skating The Russian federation would have filed the request for review.
    Like · Reply · 3 · 11 hrs

    IFS also posts that Virtue/Moir had the same thing happen to them at Canadian Nationals and that is NOT correct. All teams on the podium had their scores change when the GOE was adjusted for an element.
     
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    The fact that the ISU does not make an official statement yet, makes it look more suspicious. Like they are thinking what to say or invent to justify it.
     
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  10. princeton123

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    From twitter.com/fs_evolution

    Margaglio on Raisport explained SD deduction: someone called the assistant specialist in the evening to point out additional rotation

    More from Margaglio on the SD: the lift happened in a corner far away from the judges so they didn't see it live, but only on TV afterwards.

    Margaglio agrees that the call is correct but questions how late it came, saying everyone was perplexed. This sets an unpleasant precedent.
     
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  11. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    I do agree it sets a very unpleasant precedent that they will need to sort out asap.
     
  12. princeton123

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    This just screams ugly politics :rolleyes:
     
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  13. DreamsofBliss

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    Is there any place besides Rule 123 where protests are explained, examples are given, etc by the ISU?
    Based on that rule, I could see the argument that an extra element performed in a program is a rule violation. So whoever lodged the complaint could say the one point deduction should be in effect since they performed an extra lift. This is not an evaluation by a technical committee (i.e. that level 4 should be level 3!). The timing is still in question, however, but we are basing our assumptions about the timing on the French article that said it was too late to file a protest and the delayed release of the information. And now I guess some tweets. Basically, we don't know and we won't unless the ISU releases some clarification.

    But for some reason several people were under the assumption that skaters could only file protests about their own scores and we have seen single skaters do that about miscalled jumps and spins....things that would fall under evaluation of a technical committee in my understanding. So I'm wondering if there is another place where these things are explained.
     
  14. blancanieves

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  15. Weve3

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    Regardless, I don't like this. If they haven't already, the ISU needs to release additional clarification. Apologies, if they have already commented and I have missed it, as I am just getting up to speed w/ the (semi) new developments.
     
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  16. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    Yes. 8 hours after IFS said it was Russia someone told them it was France.
    IFS is a weird site I find. They post a lot of mistakes and give opinions like a fan. I used to give the magazine subscription to someone as a gift but I don't anymore, just not a fan of their FB personality at times.
     
  17. double runner

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    This reminds of track and field where relay teams have been DQ'd an hour after they have ran because one member of their team stepped on a line. For better and or worse, this is what happens when there is an availability of technology and each any every frame can be analysed. Do I think teams should be penalized if they miss a required step sequence? Sure, absolutely. At the same time though, the ISU needs to clarify a lot of their rules for protesting because I can see this getting out of hand. They have just set the precedence of federations lobbying against other skaters and now what? Does that mean that federations will set up spectators with recording devices around the arena to capture any and all missteps throughout a rival's performance so they can use footage to take away points?
     
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  18. manhn

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    I guess the ISU will have a busy summer clarifying these rules. TBH, I don't mind these protests but it seems lame that it took so long.

    I mean, this is ice dance. How many darn underrotation protests could we see in singles? Similarly, it's happened where technical panels missed that one of the pairs skaters doubled a jump but gave them credit for a triple. That happened to Moore-Towers and Mariano last season at worlds, right? No way would that happen if protests are allowed. I'm okay with it if the system in place is not too lengthy and complicated.
     
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  19. Weve3

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    Exactly. It just manages to gin up suspicion even if the protest is (eventually) warranted.
     
  20. princeton123

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    Bringing this over:

    To report Margaglio accurately: competition was over, medals awarded, press meeting over, they all were in the hotel. And suddenly a phone call arrived to the French panelist: someone. reviewing the SD on Youtube (!) had seen the mistake. The panels and the judges and all the ISU officials went on the rink and reviewed all the TV images, and then, after 22.30 (SD finished at 16.30) they called Anna and Luca to inform them. Anna and Luca accepted with no protest whatsoever the decison and at 23.30 it was communicated to the press.
     
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  21. Spun Silver

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    Hey, we watch YouTube. Does that mean we can change the scores? Power to the people! (J/K.)
     
  22. DreamsofBliss

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    I really wish figure skating had real reporters who knew the rules of the sport well and would pursue this easily because they'd already be on site. As it is, we're all just going off a bunch of information from various sources and in my case I am relying on translations of others. (Not to say I don't appreciate the people who do cover the sport--often on their own dime--because I do.) I feel like if there was more press to keep the sport accountable they would have already had a press conference or something to explain exactly how this worked.
     
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  23. allezfred

    allezfred Master/Mistress of Sneer Staff Member

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    The ISU daily report says:

     
  24. Weve3

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    It is disappointing they missed the extra element (rotational lift) in the first place. I certainly wouldn't want this 'oversight' to become a habit because it's a really bad habit to drop the ball like that. Inexcusable, really, but mistakes do happen...
     
  25. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I'm sure a lot of things are missed in ice dance. This whole controversy just makes it way too obvious.
     
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  26. Weve3

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    Glad it isn't the World Championships, or, worse, the Olympics. What a mess that would be.
     
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  27. chapis

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    okay, everyone get ready for the next competition, if you find a mistake that can favor to your favorite team, just send them a tweet quickly, or you know.....within the first 4 hours.
     
  28. Weve3

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    Fickle judging for a fickle sport. :EVILLE:

    Now we will have YouTubers scouring EVERY comp. :COP:

    Has anyone checked Med's FS, yet?! :p
     
  29. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I will when I want to fall asleep.
     
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