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Skating 'queen' Kim set to return (Threads merged)

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sugar, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. unicorn

    unicorn Active Member

    It's nice to see that Kim is coming back like that. And she said she would compete in next year's GPs too?
  2. naan

    naan New Member

    :blah: It was the B-competition which is generous to every skater! I said Yuna was overmarked on PCS (2-3 points?), so is it that important? Yuna didn't have a controversial winning as Mao did at NHK. Yuna didn't get ridiculous inflated score as Mao did at NHK, either.
    They were both overmarked IMO. I think comparing scores in different events is hard and useless. I don't want Yuna vs Mao debate in this thread anymore, so let's just stop it. We can do this as much as we want at Worlds ;)
  3. puretea

    puretea Active Member

  4. lakewood

    lakewood Active Member

    The GPF scoring was very generous. Not only Mao but Ashley. I don't think Mao delivered great performance. She was very good at the step sequences but other than that ... . And, her jumps were too weak. She was a clear winner though. But, I think it is reasonable YuNa's performance got higher score than Mao's.
  5. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

  6. lowtherlore

    lowtherlore New Member


    I wonder if we were watching the same program. If we were, I guess the figure skating that I know is a totally different thing from that in your book. Her LP is PACKED with choreographic moves and transitions. Heck, even her choreo sequence – a tiny part among the current TES constituents – is full of significant choreo and transitions, while most other skaters are showing just a token amount of effort for that element.

    It’s fair to say that her Les Mis routine looks VERY demanding, and even a speedy one at that. I actually think that likely we might never get to see a clean skate out of it in competitions, because it’s so packed and demanding.

    How nice of him. I hope Yu-Na get to see the film when it world-premieres in Korea on 19 Dec. Maybe she would get additional inspiration as Hugh J suggested. :)
  7. lowtherlore

    lowtherlore New Member

  8. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Korean news article in English: http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2963736
  9. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

    ITA. I think Jackie Wong provides a very fair and balanced assessment. I enjoy his reporting on figure skating. Even Yu Na herself admitted that she focused mainly on getting through the elements in her sp, and that she will try to improve her presentation later. Therefore, her PCS should not be very high, but PCS aren't always marked on what a skater actually presents on the ice -- they are boosted along with good technique and clean execution, as well as according to the overall rep of the skater, IMO.

    It's also true that GPF scoring was fairly high overall. And it is also difficult to compare scoring across events. Still Jackie Wong, all things considered, did a good job of assessing Mao's and Ashley's marks over the course of GP this season vs. Yu Na's marks at her comeback senior B event.
  10. momsk8

    momsk8 New Member

    Very impressive 1A+1T+1Lo for a "queen" in her FS, what next, a novice competition?
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  11. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    What a positive first impression for a first post! Here's a predictable reply: Are novices landing 3Lz+3T combos in both their SP and FS?
  12. Tesla

    Tesla Whippet Good

  13. dawnie

    dawnie Well-Known Member

    And 2 proper lutzes in the LP to boot. You don't see many SENIOR ladies doing that these days...
  14. query5

    query5 New Member

    good job --yu na , a little rusty, but am overall surprised at whole well she did,
    probably shouldn't be. she put thought, care , importance in her skating. Didn't want to look bad after time off.

    just shows how good she really is, great job. was impressed.
    shows how much more work the other ladies who have been skating needs to do.
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  15. Rob

    Rob Beach Bum

    Born to skate. Plain and simple.
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  16. 4rkidz

    4rkidz plotting, planning and travelling

    well I must admit I'm really quite impressed with Kim's comeback, I think she will be tough to beat in comparison to the top skates at the grand prix final.. I actually enjoyed the choreography from the long program and her dress.. It did seem a tad robotic however its her first time out with it - some mileage she can become more artistic just in time for worlds.. so glad I will get to see her live again :)
  17. momsk8

    momsk8 New Member

  18. RumbleFish

    RumbleFish New Member

    She should be banned from skating for rest of her life for doing that.
  19. rosewood

    rosewood Well-Known Member

    As for Jackie's article his analysis is very rough, especially on FS. He said 129.34 is reasonable 'cause she use to get from130 to 140 at her best. hahaha As every skater has good time and bad time, he should talk about her performance AT NRW TROPHY at least. Reading his article is a waste of time. :scream:
  20. Anya

    Anya Active Member

    Well, Russian novices do :p (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu4C42WDv_8)
  21. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

    I think this interview gives more perspectives on Yuna's comeback.
    Kim Yuna’s candid talk about her decision to return to competitive skating

    That bolded part reminds me of Michelle's advise that she gave to Yuna in 2010, during ATS LA press conference, I think. She said that she was always reminded the joy of skating watching young skaters, little skaters every day on the rink, and that was what got her to continue her skating career. Look how things worked out for Yuna; Michelle is truly a great mentor for Yuna:swoon:

    I for one am so happy that she's feeling light-hearted towards competing now that she's home with friends and family. Perhaps that was exactly what she needed. Good luck to her!
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  22. lowtherlore

    lowtherlore New Member

    ^ Thanks for the article. During her return last weekend, to me she looked noticeably more light-hearted than before. I'm happy she's back.
  23. shine

    shine Well-Known Member

    Like what? :lol: I did see the spread-eagle into 1st axel and Ina Bauer into 2nd axel. Other than that, nothing particularly difficult stood out to me. There were an awful lot of stroking and turning in one direction.
  24. momsk8

    momsk8 New Member

  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Actually, Seraphim Sahanovich is competing in Russian Senior Nationals this month. ;)

    P.S. to Anya: Did Sahanovich land ratified 3Lz+3T combos as a Novice? I wouldn't be surprised to hear if she (or another one of the young Russian wonder girls) did at that level (sorry for the OT).
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2012
  26. puretea

    puretea Active Member

    Kim Yuna’s press conference “My goal is to earn at least 2 tickets to the Olympics”[/SIZE]
    ◆ Translation ⓒ abyss / FEVERSKATING*

    ‘Figure Queen’ Kim Yuna successfully finished her first competition and expressed her goal of earning at least two entries at the Sochi Olympics.
    “I worried a lot that I might make unexpected mistakes at the competition because I hadn’t competed in a while. Of course I made mistakes but I performed my programs better than I expected. So I’m rather relived,” said Kim at the press conference held at the Inchon International Airport.
    “I will train hard to earn at least two entries to the Olympics. I am concerned more about earning more than two spots so I can go to the Olympics with a fellow Korean skater, rather than aiming for gold,” answered Kim.
    “I think that the NRW Trophy was a good start. Now I will concentrate on elements that need improvement and do my best to maintain good health for the following competitions,” said Kim.
    Kim won gold at the NRW Trophy that was held at the Eissportzenturm in Dortmund, Germany. She scored a total of 201.61 points; 129.34 for her free skate and 72.27 in the short. Her score is the highest score of the season in ladies singles.

    The following is Kim’s question and answer session.

    Q: How do you feel right now?
    Kim: I feel good that I was able to achieve my goal of earning the required minimum technical points (for Worlds) and that I got through the competition without encountering any major problems. I am aware that a lot of people rooted for me and supported me. I don’t know if I lived up to their expectations but I am happy and thankful that my hard training lead to good results.

    Q: What do you need to work on for the World Championships?
    Kim: Figure skating rules change each year. I was worried the most about the changes in spin rules. It has become more difficult to get high level spins. In order to keep up with the rule changes, new spins that I had not done before were incorporated in my new programs. As a result, my spins are a bit rusty and I was rather unsure of myself at the competition. I think this affected me and my spins weren’t perfect at the competition.

    There weren’t any big problems with the jumps but after I checked the protocol after the competition, I found that I had gotten a level 1 on a spin. Of course the goal was to get a level 4 so when I saw that it was a level 1 and not even level 3, it caught my attention. There can be many different reasons in such cases. One, the elements of the spin does not meet the required levels, or two, there were problems in the actual execution. These little details may seem minor but they add up and play a big factor in the final score. So I need to focus on not missing the details in each and every element. Since the NRW Trophy was my first competition I can work on problems based on the feedback I received. In a way, it helped me find out what elements I need to work on.

    Q: Wasn’t it physically difficult because of your long hiatus?
    Kim: I took a break from competition for 20 months and even though I skated in shows it’s not the same thing as competing. It had been a long time since I skated at an actual competition and because the level of training had become much light during my hiatus, I was worried the most about my stamina. As I mentioned a few times before, the focus of my training was brining my stamina up to competition level. This made training physically draining and difficult. But because I was much more light-hearted compared to prior to the Vancouver Olympics, training was much enjoyable and I was able to laugh through it even though it was exhausting.

    I was nervous at the competition, much more than I anticipated, because I had been away from competitive ice. The nerves made me tenser and I found myself out of breath at the actual competition. However, thanks to the hard training, I was able to perform without any huge mistakes.

    Q: You will be skating at the Korean Nationals in January. This will be the first time you will be skating your new programs in front of your Korean fans. How do you feel?
    Kim: I think that the NRW Trophy was a good start. Now I will concentrate on elements that need improvement and do my best to maintain good health for the following competitions.

    I think being healthy is the most important. Don’t get sick and go to competitions healthy. It’s been a long time since I competed in Korea and I goal is, as always, to do my best.

    Q: How would you compare your performance at the NRW Trophy with your run-throughs during training?
    Kim: Well, because the short program is physically less straining than the long, I had a high rate of clean run-throughs in the short.
    I think that all the hard training helped me skate well even though I was really nervous. The free program started off well but I made a few mistakes in the second half. It was not because I was physically drained but rather a loss of concentration. After my first mistake (singling the double axel) I stumbled on jumps that I usually regarded as easy (singling the planned double toe loop- double loop). The jump I fell on was because I lost concentration, not steam.

    Q: What will be your focus point in your training up until Worlds in March?
    Kim: I think I will be concentrating on the details. I also need to work on perfecting my spins and check the elements so that I can get level 4 on my spins. I will check the elements that need improvement based on the feedback I received in NRW. Enhancing the consistency of technical elements and improving the choreography and flow of the programs have always been goals that I held throughout a skating season. Also, even though my current endurance is enough to skate though my programs, enhancing my stamina will enable me to perform my programs with more ease so I will focus on this as well.

    Q: Do you feel that you made the right choice in coming back to competition?
    Kim: I think the feeling was closer to “whew”; relief. I was worried that I might make unexpected mistakes at the competition because no matter how hard you train, things happen. The fact that I had not competed for a while didn’t help matters at all. As I was preparing for this season, I was worried that once I stood on the ice, the psychological burden would return. However, I found out that I was able to skate with a lighter heart compared to the past. I am at more ease, psychologically. The fear I felt at competitions has dropped dramatically so I think this will help me get though the tough training that is waiting for me more easily.

    Q: How would you compare the current season’s ladies with the ladies of the past season?
    Kim: I noticed that lot of the skaters that I once competed against are now absent from the ice. There are a lot of new faces. It wasn’t intentional, during my time away from competitive ice I grew less interested in the competitions because I wasn’t competing myself. Now that I have returned, I have to compete in such competitions and I guess I will be seeing the new skaters. However, I plan to focus on my own performance rather than fixating on other skater’s performances, like I have always done. I find myself less distracted by other skater’s themselves or their results compared to the past. I think that if each skater concentrates on their own performances, good results will follow.

    Q: What are your goals for the World Championships?
    Kim: This season’s Worlds will determine the amount of allotted spots for each country at the Olympics. At the Vancouver Olympics I participated with fellow skater, Kwak Min-Jeong. I want to skate well at Worlds so that I can earn at least two spots at the Olympics. I would like to give young Korean skaters the opportunity to experience the Games. I will do my best, but I will skate with a far lighter heart because I am concerned more about earning spots for Korea, rather than aiming for gold.

    (The International Skating Federation(ISU) determines allotted places at the Olympics depending on the results of the World Championships held the previous year. If a skater places within 24th place, the country wins one spot. If the skater places within 10th place, two spots. If the skater places within the top two, three spots are given.)
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  27. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Exactly. I saw a lot of crossovers into jumps, with nothing in between. The Ina bauer+2A was nice, but that stood out more as an exception. Again, I expect her to add more transitions as she refines the program, but this particular program in this competition was rather weak, transition wise. It still was impressive, considering how long she has not competed. It seems she has not lost any of her jumps.
  28. naan

    naan New Member

    NRW Trophy 2012: Notes from the stands (World Figure Skating)

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  29. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

    Thank you puretea. I think skating with the goal of winning two places for S Korea will place so much less pressure on Yuna. By making clear her goals, she's also playing down the expectations of her fans. She has a mission and I think this mission is easier to accomplish than the one in 2010. She's talented and determined. I am sure she will achieve what she sets out to do for her country.
  30. Beverly

    Beverly New Member

    Skating 'overrated and overscored' Kim