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Senior programas so far....

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by L'amour, Oct 25, 2010.

  1. L'amour

    L'amour New Member

    I know its early but what you guys think about the senior programs so far?

    I love abott's programs :) I really liek his style. Caro K was also impressive at NHK. I love Wagner LP choreo. I felt so bad about Mao, i kind like her programs but what is ahppening to her?

    about dance...my favorite dicipline...I'm so dispinted with some of the progras this season. I don't really like the SD, its so empty, strange with some bizzare music cuts. I loved P/B FD, they have a lot of work to do but still, it a nice program. D/W tango its very Igor tango program, I thought D/W were going to skate to teh storieline of Il Postino...that would be a great program for them, showing a romantic and mature look, They chose a very safe program.
  2. nubka

    nubka Well-Known Member

    I really like Caro's LP so far. Of course, I admit that I love that piece of music so much, that I wouldn't care who skated to it or how they skated...I'll just close my eyes and listen! :D
  3. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    I thought Wagner's Malaguena LP looked tired. There was nothing new in either the musical arrangement or the choreographic approach to a piece of music that has been beaten to death by skaters at all levels.

    Takahashi's speed and attack in his SP were wonderful. Probably the best since Yagudin. Does he have extensive dance training background? I thought the choreography was maybe a little bit obvious though.
  4. krenseby

    krenseby New Member

    I really enjoyed her LP as well. Who was it choreographed by?
  5. DickButtonFan

    DickButtonFan New Member

    So far the only one I like is mao's long but not her short.

    I feel disappointed with both of flatt's programs. I think she would do great with more dramatic music. I wish she would get new programs along with agnes's sp. These girls have so much potential and their programs are dragging them down.

    And I like Dai's sp.
  6. Jarrett

    Jarrett Firebird for worlds!

    ... have been crap. :wall:

    But seriously (at least for the ladies) only Carolina's SP was interesting. The rest was mess. We'll see what Laura, Mirai, Miki, Suzuki, and maybe Yu-na bring to the table later in the season. I guess I got spoiled last season. Mao's programs will be fine when she doesn't look like she is skating around in the dark but who knows when/if that will happen.
  7. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    Favourites for men:
    Abbott SP & LP
    Takahashi SP
    Sawyer SP (I know it's recycled but he's doing it a lot better than last year. Also, his LP will be good once he's done it more than once).

    Jeremy's was the only LP I really, really liked so far. Dai's was alright, but not a favourite.

    Thumbs down for men: Amodio LP. I hate it, especially the crotch grabs.

    Favourites for ladies:
    Flatt SP
    Murakami SP

    Those were the only ones I liked a LOT yet. Mao's were good but she skated them so technically badly, that it took away from the enjoyment.

    Thumbs down for ladies:
    Flatt LP - the cute head movements and little dances that fit well with the theme and music of the SP did NOT work in the LP!!

    The rest were alright.

    Favourites in pairs: none yet. Besides Brodeur and Mattatall's, I don't even LIKE the ones I've seen. I don't hate them, they're just bleh. Even Pang and Tong at NHK!

    Thumbs down in pairs: I didn't really hate any of the programs. But I didn't really like them, as said.

    Favourites in dance:
    Weaver & Poje SD
    Cappellini & Lanotte SD - LOVE THIS!!
    Ilinykh & Katsalapov FD
    Shibutanis SD & FD are pretty good, too

    Thumbs down in dance:
    I&K SD - hate, hate, hate, hate the music!!

    C&L's FD is a bit boring.
  8. DreamSkates

    DreamSkates Well-Known Member

    Short program - Takahashi. That's about it, until I see all of them and later on in the season, maybe the programs will "sing" better and communicate something.
  9. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

    I liked Wagner's Malaguena. It has a lot of potential and it's choreography empty compared to last year's LP, but we'll see what she does to it later in the year. I can't really say much about it because her timing just seemed to be way off that night.

    Mao's LP also has a lot of potential. For some reason, she's doing well in the warmups and then she ends up missing everything in the LP. But she's also in the process of fixing her technique--we should give her the liberty of time, just as with Caroline.

    Carolina's SP was also great, and I liked Murakami's LP (which also has lots of potential). What bugs me the most is that Korpi got the second highest PCS for the LP...
  10. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    Abbott's short and C&L CD sequence to "Que sera, sera" are the only things so far that I really like a lot. I'm getting more of a kick out of seeing the GW set to various pieces of music than I expected.

    I will give credit to Takahashi/Tran for doing a pairs sp that wasn't painful to watch at any point and actually engaged me.

    I might include the Czech dance team's "mishmash of cover songs" FD which is either fabulously awful or awfully fabulous. :biggrinbo
  11. RockTheTassel

    RockTheTassel Well-Known Member

    I'm absolutely :swoon: over Abbott's new LP. That's the only one I love so far. The short program has potential, but I wish he'd edit the arm movements. It looks so overdone and doesn't suit him.

    Daisuke is a great performer, and I don't hate the programs, but I can't help but be disappointed with them compared to his programs from last year. Hopefully I'll like them more as the season progresses, but I doubt they'll top 'Eye' and 'La Strada'.

    I really enjoyed Shawn Sawyer's programs, especially the LP. Looking forward to seeing those again.

    I'm not a huge fan of ice dance, but I always love seeing Meryl and Charlie. Their new FD is wonderful.

    I don't even want to talk about the ladies. :wall:
  12. ~tapdancer~

    ~tapdancer~ Well-Known Member

    Abbott's SP and LP
    Takahashi's SP

    D/W's SD and FD
    Shibtani's SD and FD
    Weaver/Poje's SD

    Takahashi/Tran SP
  13. Cloudy_Gumdrops

    Cloudy_Gumdrops New Member

    I'm just gonna go with dance for now.

    These are the programs I like:
    - I&K's SD and FD
    - Shibs SD
    - Weaver & Poje's SD
    - Gorshkova & Butikov's SD
    - Hoffman & Zavozin's SD and FD
    - Zhiganshina & Gaszi's FD
    - Hubbells FD
    - Kriengkrairut & Giulietti-Schmitt's FD. It's easily my fave FD so far and the lifts are wonderful.

    Honorable mention to the Czechs, M&N just for the sheer hilarity of the random music combos. :rofl:

    Programs I don't like:
    - Davis & White's SD and FD
    - Shibs' FD
    - Bobrova & Soloviev's SD
    - Gorshkova & Butikov's FD
    - Cappellini & LaNotte's SD and FD
    - Pechalat & Bourzat's FD

    Everything else I'm either undecided on or just too meh on to even care.
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2010
  14. Tak

    Tak Well-Known Member

    Just going by NHK and a few more I could find on You tube [so I havent seen everybody and videos sometimes dont give a true impression, but]

    Like -
    Hubbells - interesting use of Addams Family music w/o miming the characters - but it works!
    R/T - of all the programs I"ve seen, this is the one that really looks like a complete dance to me - not a program put together for elements and points, but a real dance. And the most successful at incorporating the CD into the program and not having it look out of place. My favorite.
    D/W - I think the music makes me love this even more.
    I/K - Re-watching the NHK, this is the program that keeps growing on me - it gets more interesting each time I watch it.
    K/M - this is a jr team Kos-/M [ I cant even remember their names now] - but this was my favorite SD until I saw R/Ts.

    D/W - the softer side of D/W. I really liked this and I think it will only get better.
    I/K - this program will stand out a mile at Worlds.
    k/M - that jr team again. It's too bad they're doing a Chopin waltz Fd when the waltz is also SD theme, but I loved the FD too.

    The real losers for me:
    C/L - SD - that Doris Day waltz made me cringe, and FD looked like they were experimenting with doing a program where the music and the movement had absolutely no connection to each other whatsoever.

    Shibs - technically good, but that style of dancing just puts me to sleep, I cant help it.

    On the Fence:

    W/P Fd - I think they need to skate this as all out camp. They've got the right tackiness in the costumes, and that cheesy opening heart sets the stage. But this doesnt work for me as a straight dance. It cries out for OTT camp - like the movie. The Duchesnay tango did this brilliantly - that is the look and feel they need to go for IMO. They are halfway there already, but they seem to be hesitating between the 2 interpretations. I say - commit to the camp and really go for it!
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  15. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    My favorite SD so far is the one of Papadakis & Cizeron, a french junior team. I can explain it by the fact that the Viennese Waltz is one of my favorite CD, and that I prefer the dance on one rhythm.
  16. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    Pang-Tong SP & LP - simply beautifull
    Takahashi-Tran SP
    Yankovskas-Cauglin - LP
    Kiira Korpi SP
    Murakami SP
    Amodio LP
    Abbot LP
    Takahashi - not porgrams, but his power and skating in SP and LP
    D-W - SD
    Shibs - FD
    W-P - SD (my favorite this season so far)
  17. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    Oooops, the thread is just about senior ?!
    So, among the senior team, I don't like any SD.
    But Abbott's and Sawyer's both SP and LP are very good !
  18. Eris

    Eris New Member

    Actualy, I don't like a lot of programs right now. But still

    I/K - really love the darkness of this dance
    W/P - very stylish

    P/B - nice story
    Shibutani - light and lightness

    Takahashi/Tran - SP & FS
    waiting for S/S

    Kanako's short and long
    K. Makarova SP

    Abbot SP & FS
    Takahashi FS
  19. Eris

    Eris New Member

    I love it too.:)
  20. poths

    poths Well-Known Member

    Not a void in sight! Utterly Dire.

    The only thing of interest this year is the new partnerships in Russian pairs, although none of them have interesting CH either.

    I like the fact that Korpii has FINALLY made significant improvements, but for the love of GOD land your jumps.

    I don't know what to say about Mao :eek:

    Or Kostner and her horrendous technical content, RETIRE> FFS

    Takahashi has bottled out, seen all those programs before. Push the feckin envelope.

    Abbott, yes you have a great feeling, but no - I'm not interested or moved by a skating geography teacher.

    Amodio, you promised so much....:fragile:

    Ten , YOU promised so much too...:fragile:

    I'd love to take all of the US ladies, and lock them in a broom closet.
    Ditto the Russian Junior Jumping beans. Wake me up when they're 18 and can still land shit.

    The Stagnation is actually incredible and utterly depressing:
    CapLan were better in the Junior Ranks. :eek:
    D&W had better programs 3 years ago
    The Kerrs are doing what they did in 2008
    Pechalat are trying to be Delshoes
    Virtue is now a gymnast and just won the world floor title

    I don't know who any of the Russian men are!!!
    If I have to watch an empty, no CH Van Der McCorkell programme again I'll vomit.

    Leonova is so 1997 It knocks me off kilter.

    Makarova could have challenged this season, had she found a choreographer with a brain.

    Pang and Tong are still skating? Are you for REAL??

    Who the hell were the Average Japanese pair and why did they medal at a GP

    Katie Denney and her so called "Spunk", I call it TryfckingHard, can spunk off

    That leads me back to Pechalat, because when the skating season is shit, at least there's Nathalie to look at.

    Then I'm reminded that she's dating Square headed Verner who is also STILL skating. Like he's ever going to land shit.

    I look forward to Halloween when I can throw Michael Huth on a bonfire for destroying two perfectly talented skaters and forcing me to hate/resent them for achieving with utter mediocrity.
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2010
  21. Patzeez

    Patzeez New Member

  22. Ituriel

    Ituriel Active Member

    Me. The first time in Nebelhorn I though: hey! hey! hey! where's exactly his hand? And the first rotational lift in the fd, his hand finish there too.

    Well, I don't think this is the first time this happens, but Anna is very confident with Luca :lol:
  23. MikiAndoFan#1

    MikiAndoFan#1 Well-Known Member

  24. Susan M

    Susan M Well-Known Member

    Safe? I think they are taking a big risk to do a program that is such a departure from their usual style, and especially one that does not show off their speed. I do agree that the FD seems to suffer from lack of a story, but maybe that wouldn't work so well when the music is taken from multiple, unrelated sources, anyway.

    I was especially impressed with Abbott's free skate. I have sometimes found his programs to be too quiet and, frankly, boring, but this one was so elegant and so well choreographed that it really worked for me.
  25. L'amour

    L'amour New Member

    since when a tongo in figure skating is not safe? And its a very Igor choreograph..Their lifts are amazing but what else they are showing in that program: Beatiful tango lines? no...romantic conection..no...passion..maybe. I'm tired of Igor haha
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2010
  26. piano18

    piano18 New Member

    Oh yes!!!!!:lol:
  27. piano18

    piano18 New Member

    I gave up on men since a couple years ago so I didn't watch.

    In ice Dance: Shibutani & Shibutani: Along with their programs especially the SD, their skating don't impress me much. This team has a flow but needs better skating. Other than the programs especially the SD, their skating is not fabulous.

    I&K need so much work on technical details. They have strong basics and a beautiful glide and spectacular appeal (this is their first competition!). But their choreographer should work so much on the details! Not that they need to find loopholes in the rules, just have their choreographer read it.

    And I want to ADD too: how would people think Samuelson & Bates would place if they competed here??
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2010
  28. literaryfreak

    literaryfreak Well-Known Member

    It is a big risk for Davis/White, since they are not the typical ice dance team who can do a tango at the drop of a hat. There's no literal storyline, tons of closed holds, and I think it's supposed to be more soft than aggressive (although I'm not entirely still sure about that) - none of these are what D/W are known for. Take into account that V/M are doing a Latin FD (I don't know how one can beat Scott's Spanish attitude, I don't know if it's different in Latin dances), and people are questioning D/W's connection...D/W have set a huge challenge for themselves. A tango might be boring for ice dance...but it will make them better skaters. I think this is the hardest program they've ever had. They're showing really complicated footwork here, which is something ice dance could use more of. I'll take that over passion in the first comp of the season.
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  29. piano18

    piano18 New Member

    From now on, I really should watch their programs with the music on because I might like it then. At first viewing, (with no music) the SD looked bad and lifeless. Then, 12 hrs later, on second viewing, this time WITH the music on, it made it much better! Congratulations to them for going to get the first Worlds Gold medal for USA!

    C&L look like they need a big push. They'll definitely finish ahead of A&V at Italian Nationals (A&V is somewhere in the league between the 2nd & 3rd french couples, they're not rising stars, not this year).

    W&P: Still need to watch their programs.

    Skate Canada is a weak field so we'll have to wait for Cup of China. F&S are skating there, and they deserve to be European champions this year. Also, Faiella is 30 :eek:
  30. ~tapdancer~

    ~tapdancer~ Well-Known Member

    I think Sam/Bates would have medalled here...silver. Without a major error, that is. I think they are a stronger team than any of the others besides D/W. What a shame we didn't get to see "American in Paris". :(