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Russia and Japan assignments next season

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by haribobo, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member


    ISU SB thus far
    10 222.54 Artur GACHINSKI RUS ISU GP Cup of China 2011 05.11.2011
    23 197.19 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2011 26.11.2011
    24 197.09 Artur DMITRIEV RUS ISU JGP Baltic Cup 2011 17.09.2011
    26 195.88 Konstantin MENSHOV RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2011 13.11.2011
    28 193.76 Maxim KOVTUN RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2011/12 10.12.2011

    Bush, Dmitriev, and Gorshkov are aging out of juniors after this season. So far, only Gachinski has a ranking and SB high enough to guarantee GP for next season. Plushenko will likely do well enough if he does Euros or Worlds also. Kovtun can stay in junior. I imagine Voronov, Menshov, and Dmitriev have done well enough to get a spot or at least end up very high on the alternate list. We'll see if Bush and Gorshkov get a chance to improve their SB later in the season. Bush actually only did 3 senior B events so no GP or JGP spots = no SB yet. Not sure what happened there? Whichever of Bariev, Kovalev, Grigoriev, and Borodulin continue skating, they could get some B spots. Maybe COR for Bariev or Grigoriev if they're lucky?

    2 259.75 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2011 13.11.2011
    4 245.82 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2011/12 10.12.2011
    6 235.02 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2011 13.11.2011
    7 227.11 Nobunari ODA JPN ISU GP Cup of China 2011 05.11.2011
    27 195.45 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2011 13.11.2011
    29 193.32 Daisuke MURAKAMI JPN ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2011 22.10.2011
    31 192.36 Keiji TANAKA JPN ISU JGP Brisbane 2011 10.09.2011
    35 182.71 Ryuju HINO JPN ISU JGP Volvo Cup 2011 03.09.2011
    43 175.15 Shoma UNO JPN ISU JGP Tallinn Cup 2011 14.10.2011
    44 173.31 Ryuichi KIHARA JPN ISU JGP Baltic Cup 2011 17.09.2011

    Takahito Mura also hasn't gotten an ISU high score yet, but will have a chance at 4CC as well as Machida. Takahashi, Hanyu, Kozuka, and Oda have done well enough to secure GP for next season. Murakami should be high on the alternate list if not getting a spot outright, same for Machida. The other guys (Tanaka, Hino, Uno, and Kihara) can all stay junior at least for another season. The other top 12 finishers from Nationals are Nakamura and Tsuboi, who may get B assignments.

    2 185.98 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2011 12.11.2011
    3 184.19 Mao ASADA JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2011 12.11.2011
    14 162.20 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN ISU JGP Baltic Cup 2011 16.09.2011
    15 161.31 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN ISU GP Trophee E. Bompard 2011 19.11.2011
    18 157.83 Risa SHOJI JPN ISU JGP Tallinn Cup 2011 15.10.2011
    22 154.76 Haruka IMAI JPN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2011 26.11.2011
    39 141.52 Miu SATO JPN ISU JGP Austria 2011 30.09.2011

    Suzuki, Asada, Murakami should all be ok for GP next year. Risa Shoji could do either but with 2 JGP seasons behind her may go up to senior GP. I think Imai should get at least 1 GP spot too. Miyahara and Sato will very likely do JGP along with Haruna Suzuki and Kako Tomotaki. Kana Muramoto and Satsuki Muramoto could get B spots- they are too old for JGP. Nishino has thousands of years on JGP (actually 5) but isn't high enough on the lists for a GP spot- so maybe she will get NHK or if not, a final year on JGP.
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2011
  2. burntBREAD

    burntBREAD Active Member

    I think Nishino's going to get a TBD at NHK. I thought she was going to this year, but she ended up doing two JGPs and the TBD went to Ishikawa, who placed below her at Nationals. There's no way she's going to do JGP for the 6th time in a row :eek: (knock on wood).
  3. Stephanie

    Stephanie Well-Known Member

    Apparently this was his coach (Urmanov's) idea to challenge him to make the step up to seniors but IMO was a dumb move given that senior Bs count for nothing in the season best scores/GP assignments and do very little for one's world ranking.
  4. euterpe

    euterpe Well-Known Member

    Actually, Senior Bs can do a lot for one's World Ranking. Kostner has always ranked very high, even in some of her 'off' seasons because she'd do two Senior Bs per year and usually won them---worth a total of 500 points every year. Two seasons' worth of Senior B first places is good for 1000 points. That's the equivalent of two years' worth of 4th/5th places at GP events. If a skater does well at the GP AND gets that extra 1000 points, it's golden. For years when she didn't finish high enough at Japanese Nationals to get GP events, Akiko Suzuki regularly competed in Senior Bs. Eventually, she worked her way up the rankings, and then when she began to get GP assignments, she soared WAY up the ladder, even when she didn't get to go to Worlds. Right now, she is #2---behind Carolina Kostner.

    For skaters who don't get GP assignments but do get to go to Worlds and/or Euros/4CC, Senior Bs help boost the rankings. Competing at an ISU Championship will put you on the SB list, and the Senior Bs add points. The trick is to choose the events carefully so that you finish high enough to get maximum points. You get the same 250 points whether it's a heavily attended event like Nebelhorn, or a smaller event like Nepela or Ice Challenge.