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RIP Aunt Joyce's Ice Cream Stand

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by caseyedwards, Jun 3, 2010.

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  1. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

    Once again, Aunt Joyce is a "he."
  2. IceKween

    IceKween New Member

    I don't call Aunt anyone "he". If the blogger calls himself 'aunt', then I'll call the persona 'she'. If he goes by his own name, then I'll call him 'he'. Sorry if that annoys you.
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  3. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Now you're just being stubborn. ;)
  4. Artless

    Artless New Member

    I admire Dave for so many reasons: that he loves skating, deeply, and that his hilariously caustic edge comes from his sense of what skating at its best can be. That he grooves on the great ones and posts their videos as “palate cleansers.” That he analyzes coaches' and choreographers' bodies of work with intelligence and a keen critical eye. That he cares about history and thinks others should too. That he’s a realist who doesn’t let his affection for particular skaters keep him from pointing out their faults. That he doesn’t indulge either in pointless cheerleading or in hand-wringing about figure skating’s image. That he wants to educate and will post video after video to help out beginners with questions about edges. That he himself is always working to learn more. That he admits when he makes a mistake. That he has heart. That he cracks me the **** up. He’s an honorable guy with an honorable mission, and I look forward to whatever he does with it next.

    (P.S. Tony Wheeler, you're cool too.)
  5. Willowway

    Willowway Well-Known Member

    Whoa, are you talking about the same Dave who is insulting (personally to named individuals) unnecessarily and attacks perfectly nice folks in print? Any educational good he might do is totally negated by his obvious delight in slamming, name-calling, personal insults and sexual content. Honorable? Not where I come from, not by a long shot.
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  6. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

    That's fine and all, but you do know where the name "Aunt Joyce" comes from, right?
  7. Indra486

    Indra486 Well-Known Member

    He may be a realist, but he did say some questionable or racist things about the Williams sisters... That just screams a lawsuit from them.
  8. IceJunkie

    IceJunkie Well-Known Member

    Basically its like a drag name. When you're in drag, you refer to the person as the gender which they are portraying. When they're out of drag, call them by their regular gender.

    You can't file a lawsuit for spouting racist opinions, unfortunately.

    (I'm curious about where the name Aunt Joyce comes from.)
  9. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    He occasionally points out things that I wouldn't dare say for fear of offending certain fan groups here.

    I don't believe in pointless cheerleading. While I have my favorites I'm perfectly willing to pick on them if they need nitpicking.

    But mean and rude does get old as quickly as PC-ish cheerleading.
  10. london_calling

    london_calling Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed the blog and enjoyed his formspring even more. It was inciteful and interesting, though I didn't agree with him 100% of the time.
  11. Artless

    Artless New Member

    "Honorable" is not synonymous with "nice." Pauline Kael, for example, didn't earn herself a place in the history of film by being "nice." Critical integrity is far more important.
  12. Willowway

    Willowway Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry but you've just made me laugh out loud.

    You are comparing him to Pauline Kael? She was neither vicious, nor did she lie about people or simply insult people for the pure joy of insulting people. Sorry, but the comparison is way off. She was a tough cookie but I don't recall her talking about who was having an affair with whom, anyone's private parts, all that sort of stuff which is Dave's sweet spot.

    I have no inside information but I wouldn't be surprised if got a 'cease and desist' letter from someone who has a good legal case against him - there certainly are lots of candidates.
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  13. Artless

    Artless New Member

    "Unfortunately"? Yes, it's a shame that millionaire tennis players can't sue a blogging student who referred to them as men in order to call attention to their musculature.

    Incidentally, I commented on the blog at length about why those references were problematic, but calling them "spouting racist opinions" is beyond hyperbolic.
  14. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

    I thought the blog was entertaining, even though there were entries that were taken too far. The nice thing about online blogs is you can always move along to the next post if you find something that bothers you.

    Maybe meeting Auntie in person before I seriously started following the blog helped sway my opinion, but I didn't take the mean-spirited things as anything other than tongue-in-cheek. I'm fairly sure the post calling me a 'vampire whore' was still up. I took it as a joke and didn't mind. Granted, I have very thick skin after a few years in my job but by this stage so does any skating parent who reads about their child. I don't believe any underage skater should be online reading things posted about them on message boards and blogs. That said, 'Hooker nails' is far from your typical sheltered skater, so if people said she enjoyed the nickname, I'd be inclined to believe it.

    I guess all things considered, I'm a little confused about the hatred towards the blog. Specific posts, like the one where he was frothing venom towards Isabelle Delobel at the Olympics, I might understand. The blog in general, however, had far more good points than bad. All IMHO :shuffle:
  15. judiz

    judiz Well-Known Member

    I met Dave at an ice show last year and it wasn't until we spoke for about 15 minutes that he told me who he really was. I didn't agree with everything he wrote about but he did answer a lot of questions I had about gymnastics and skating.
  16. Artless

    Artless New Member

    The comparison is based on the fact that back in the day readers criticized Kael for the same reasons you criticize AJ: "but she's so meeeeeean." Again, it's about whether you value intelligence and wit, or whether you value treacle. All the great critics have had bite: William Hazlitt, Mary McCarthy, GB Shaw, Mencken, Edmund Wilson, Gore Vidal, Dorothy Parker, and so on.

    This is not to say that a 24-year old aspiring teacher is on the level of the greats. The point is the nature of criticism. Those who respect an art form, who take it seriously, are going to be passionate when practitioners don't measure up.
  17. Willowway

    Willowway Well-Known Member

    You said it!

    An aspiring teacher (TEACHER!) probably doesn't write a blog about Kate Gosselin's privates (not using that polite a term). If he did teach, wouldn't the parents of his students love to see his posts and blogs, how educational would that be?
  18. Artless

    Artless New Member

    My daughter is quite the little ice dance fan, not much of a conformist, and would likely adore being in Dave's classroom. Pedagogically, a match made in heaven.
  19. Tony Wheeler

    Tony Wheeler Well-Known Member

    I think there is a way to be extremely critical, and a way to be very sarcastically critical in a Perez Hilton "I'm going to say whatever I want" type of way. Dave definitely seemed to venture towards the latter, and it works for many people. (I really don't care for Perez at all and I think a lot of what he has had to say outside of his site makes no sense, but I know plenty of friends that LIVE by checking that website many times a day....) I'm quite sure that Dave had to have some of his influence from the success of Perez's crazy posting style.

    When I'm replying to Formspring questions on my blog or writing "serious" news posts, I honestly do wonder how many people read them to begin with, and how many non-hardcore skating fans fall asleep amidst the ramblings. I really wish I could be witty sometimes, but I also want to be taken seriously. I guess it's a tough line to try to balance.
  20. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

    Oh, no, I liked his blog. I thought that it was bitchy and hysterical. The gymnastics stuff bored me to tears, but the skating dish was excellent. I'll be glad to see him come back.
  21. acquiesce

    acquiesce New Member

    I don't always agree with him, but Dave knows his stuff and I respect his opinions and have learned tons from his posts and q&a's. I'm glad the blog will be back and stoked that he'll continue to do the Formspring. I think some people take him WAY too seriously and need to lighten up. If you don't like it, don't read it!

    And Artless, mad WORD to everything you said! Well put.
  22. Artless

    Artless New Member

    Thanks, acquiesce! :)
  23. mkats

    mkats Well-Known Member

    Someone asked him a question on his formspring about whether or not he'd been contacted by athletes, parents, coaches, etc. to complain about what he wrote, and he said the only time was Tara Lipinski's lawyer threatening a lawsuit over his insinuating that she had plastic surgery, or something like that.

    I'll miss the formspring more than the blog. He did manage to answer some skating questions I've had for a long while that no one else knew the answers to.
  24. riveredge

    riveredge Active Member

    I like reading his blog. :lol:
  25. Maximillian

    Maximillian Well-Known Member

    I found it okay at times, but he wasn't nearly as funny as he thought he was.
  26. aussieSKATES

    aussieSKATES Member

    There could be a lesson learned that people running unauthorised or independent blogs not supported by a legitimate media service, some kind of disclaimer preceding any "news" puts their website in perspective.

    Sure, it may be tongue - in - cheek, but some people reading or being featured may not see it that way.

    For Dave Lease, I suggest throwing in a few "he or she allegedly said" here and there, like Kathy Griffin, could avoid any trouble in the future.

    Defamation is a big issue in Australia and has cost people money as well as their careers.
  27. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Uh, yeah. That banging noise you hear is Dorothy Parker throwing her coffin open in a spitting rage over even being mentioned in the same sentence as that spiteful little Perez Hilton wannabe. If Aunt Joyce "respects an art form," I'm Dostoevsky.
  28. Indra486

    Indra486 Well-Known Member

    ITA and his "special" brand of snark. :lol:
  29. Artless

    Artless New Member

    Здравствуйте, Fyodor! I love your work! :D
  30. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

    I don't think this has been posted yet, but "hooker nails" referred to a teenager (at least, I think I have the right person in mind) and it was quite inappropriate.
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