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Retrospective: The 1990 World Championships

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Maofan7, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. Maofan7

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    She retired after finishing 6th at 1991 U.S. Nationals. Qualifying for major championships was always going to be tough at this juncture. Although Jill Trenary was injured at that stage, she had not yet retired (that would come in December 1991). And then there was the emergence of Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan, Tonia Kwiatkowski, and Nicole Bobek, as well as the continued progress of Kristi Yamaguchi.

    This was the result from 1991 U.S. Nationals:-

    1. Tonya Harding
    2. Kristi Yamaguchi
    3. Nancy Kerrigan
    4. Tonia Kwiatkowski
    5. Tisha Walker
    6. Holly Cook
    7. Kyoko Ina
    8. Nicole Bobek
     
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  2. Seerek

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    That was one of the rare instances where a skater in her first worlds actually got rewarded with a high placement in figures (same with Lisa Sargeant, who placed 7th in figures). Everyone else who placed high in the figures segment were already in their 4th or 5th Worlds appearance.
     
  3. TheIronLady

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    Holly Cook is one of the most down home, what you see is what you get people I have ever encountered. I regret that skating has not as much room for people with her sort of personality today. Well it does, but they seem to be encouraged to not showcase their ordinariness or folksy eccentricity-- either off or on the ice.
     
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  4. TheIronLady

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    Who is this Tisha Walker, and what became of her?
     
  5. Maofan7

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    Accordingly to this article, she now coaches in California (Simi Valley). Same article states that Holly Cook "is married with one child. She lives in Utah where she also works as a coach" (at the South Davis Recreation Center in Bountiful, Utah). She is now known as Holly Cook-Tanner

    Here also is a 1989 article on Tisha Walker and here is Tisha Walker's Free Skate from 1991 U.S. Nationals. She finished 6th at U.S. Nationals in 1992 and 8th in 1993, before retiring
     
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  6. ioana

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    Whoa, she looks and skates a lot like Anita Madsen. Maybe they had the same coach early on in their careers? Interesting...
     
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  7. stanhope

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    Shishkova and Naumov beg to differ.

    I would have loved it if G&G had competed at '94 Worlds. I think they just should have gone and enjoyed it. The pressure was off, they already got Olympic gold for the second time! But I imagine they wanted to stop training and be with their daughter.
     
  8. Maofan7

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    Ha! Wonder what I was thinking. Oh, the fogs of time

    Thanks for correcting
     
  9. Maofan7

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    I was delighted to see the back of compulsory figures. I thought they should have been phased out a very long time beforehand. Thanks to compulsories, many of the most talented skaters in history ended up winning far less than they deserved - Janet Lynn, Toller Cranston, Denise Biellmann, etc

    Here is a video featuring the very last school figures ever skated!

    Additional Videos

    Ladies Medal Cermony

    Men's Medal Ceremony

    Profile - Lisa Sargeant

    Free Dance - Final Group
     
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  10. Maximillian

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    This complaint never ceases to frustrate me. Being skilled in compulsory figures was just as valid a skill as being skilled at freeskating, that's why it was included in the competition (not as some people seem to suggest to frustrate and prohibit talented freeskaters from winning world titles), and why it used to count for 60% of the score. The skill-set required for success at school figures was a different one than that which was required in being a successful freeskater; however, just because those skills aren't as appealing to a mass audience should not diminish the achievements and the aptitude of those who managed to skate figures well. Figures skating as a competitive sport predates television by a half a century and what was valued in terms of the sport through that half century was different than what it became. The sport is now very much a product of television and all the financial concerns and interests which accompany that relationship , but that doesn't mean the sport is a better sport now just because it appeals to a mass audience. Just because figures were not appealing to a television audience is not a reason to dismiss their validity or the merit of those who skated them well.
     
  11. TheIronLady

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    Perhaps the figures could have operated better under a scoring system like IJS. The figures had a distorting effect on results scored under factored placements and ordinals. One bad ordinal factored in and you were dead in the water. The figures had another undesirable way of influencing results. With the more subjective 6.0 majority panel system, the order in which you skated in the SP & FS was somewhat more important than it is under under IJS. Figures placements determined what group you skated in for the SP (and thus indirectly the FS). This gave distorted influence to figures ordinals (even when they were reduced to only 30% or 20%). A skater under 6.0 might win the SP and not be high enough overall to skate in the final flight. This typically appeared to influence how high the judges were willing to rank someone in the FS (the old cliche about leaving room under 6.0 for later skaters seemed to apply in those days). So the case could be made that under a different judging system like IJS figures as 20% could have been been less problematic.

    As Maximillian points out, the reason figures could never have survived is that they were incompatible with television and ticket sales, and the sport was constantly evolving into an entertainment business. This is perhaps supported by the eventual dumping of the compulsory dances. Like figures, they made for weak television and sales, and thus were not self-funding.

    Another, perhaps deadly factor, was the money required to pay for ice time to practice figures. In countries with limited facilities, training figures was more cost prohibitive.

    I think one reason why few shed tears for the end of compulsory figures (besides that they weren't fun to watch and skaters hated practicing them) was that audiences felt they could scrutinize every ordinal in the SP and FS. They could engage with the free skate judging. Audiences could not do this with compulsory figures. Now under IJS, things have changed so much that viewers might object less to being told by experts whose figures are better without themselves, as knowledgeable observers, knowing why. A good amount of scoring by the technical panel is either a bore or a slight mystery to even informed audiences today. It has to be revealed in slow motion. So I believe figures might be tolerated better under IJS than they were in the heyday of skating's Western popularity under 6.0.

    Alas, this is not a realistic what if. Figures could not have survived without some unique will on the part of the skating community. There were no incentives to hold them in an increasingly globalized and business-oriented sport.
     
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  12. N_Halifax

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  13. gk_891

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    I often think that Klimova & Ponomarenko were at their best in 1990, technically at least. Their skating had such an amazing ease and flow to it. I was especially impressed with their tango romantica CD and their samba OSP at these Worlds. Their My Fair Lady free dance failed to capture my imagination at the time but when I rewatched it again years later, I was truly stunned at not only the content but their amazing execution.

    It was fun to see a baby Grishuk & Platov at these Worlds and I really liked their samba OSP. But I thought their free dance was beneath their abilities and was way too simple for them. But they were still a new team at that time and were still trying to gel together.
     
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  15. alchemy void

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    The Frank Carroll/Chris Bowman :drama: here might be the campiest 8 minutes I've ever seen in skating. :eek:

    I can't decide which part is my favorite:

    -Frank sending Bowman off onto the ice with a very sarcastic and bitchy(!) "now entertaining.... with some personality!" Perhaps he should revive this technique with Gold at her next GP event, it really couldn't hurt to try.

    -the actual program is a hot mess, he's clearly out of shape and improvising everywhere, yet somehow makes it work, because, Bowman.

    -the over the top celebration after he finishes his program and his adoring harem of brunette beauties. :rofl: I think he probably earned an extra tenth or two on the artistic mark for the performance AFTER the skate. :lol:

    -I can't remember a skater ever being so winded and sweaty after a LP.

    -the K&C conversation is priceless, bitchy comments from Frank everywhere. :eek: Bowman tells Carroll he's "all head and no heart"
     
  16. meggonzo

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    I think the Bowman/Carroll fluff piece beats the actual skating!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vg6Ejha7rY
     
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  17. Susan M

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    There was one in his Albertville freeskate, though with a 3 turn on the landing. I think under 6.0 the judges would have credited it.
     
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  18. meggonzo

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    He landed clean 3 axels at 91 nats, worlds, and skam.
     
  19. Susan M

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    I think the pairs event was the most memorable part of this Worlds for me. I thought G&G's Romeo & Juliet was their best free program ever, but there seemed to be a mistake somewhere each time out. The judges thought they should have won. The Canadian audience thought Brasseur & Eisler should have won, and I'm sitting at home looking at the TV wondering why M&D didn't win. (On rewatching a few years later, it was clearer to me why the judges were not ready to give them top marks.) I think it may have been the first time I really paid attention to this pair and loved them immediately.

    This worlds also was a happy one for me because it marked a return to form for Petrenko. After delighting the skating world with his surprise bronze in Calgary, he struggled at 89 Worlds, so it was good to see him back on the podium.

    The other takeaway from this event was the clear fear in Moskvina's eyes as she talked about Yamaguchi as a pair skater. At that time, SBS triple flips was a big leap technically over what anyone else was doing. Most teams still did not even do SBS 3 toes.
     
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