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Retirements 2014

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by fan, Jan 13, 2014.

  1. Irish-Angel

    Irish-Angel Member

    There are a lot of doubts about that. When Aljona was asked directly about these "news", she answered that no one was saying that....:confused: I wouldn´t read too much into that right now!
  2. Susan M

    Susan M Well-Known Member

    Excellent choice, but ouch on the paperwork.

    Actually, Plushenko's first senior podiums were in fall 1997, Finlandia and Skate America, where he would have been standing with Yagudin & Oleg Tataurov and Alexander Abt & Scott Davis.

    At 98 Worlds, the podium was indeed Yagudin-Eldredge-Plushenko. Plushenko & Stojko didn't compete together often. The last time would have been Champions Series (now called GP Series) final in December 97, where Kulik-Stojko-Eldredge took the medals and Plushenko was 5th.

    Plushenko would have also been at Nagano, but the Russians only had 2 entries for men that year. That would have made 5 Olympics for him, but for Urmanov's groin strain. (Of course, if Urmanov hadn't sustained that injury in 97, he may well have been the other Russian man at Nagano.)
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2014
  3. joeperryfan

    joeperryfan Well-Known Member

    Seeing that there were so many Japanese fans in the crowd(very noticeable when Daisule skated ;))now I wonder if they were the ones cheering on Jeremy to continue?

    Oops, I think I posted in the wrong thread.:eek:
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2014
  4. Jeschke

    Jeschke #teamtrainwreck #teamschott

    how can pang/tong dare to quit and not go to worlds?:hat1:

    i am happy for them, though i wouldn't have been surprised if chinese fed pushed them towards japan for gaining that 3rd spot.
    but finally, unfortunately no medal for them to end.
    they had a great development over the years
  5. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

    Plushenko was too young for Nagano - the rule about being 15 by July 1 of the previous year had gone into effect.
  6. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    What do they need for a third spot? S/H would have done really well at the competition had they been allowed to go.
  7. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

    Didn't Radford train in Germany for a while? Not that I am suggesting he would partner with her, but just that I think they know each other and Tatianna as well.
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    Brubaker or Tran would probably be the best realistic choice if those news are true. Just not Radford, please.
  9. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

    ? Wasn't the last time the SLC Olys in 2002?
  10. skatingguy

    skatingguy Well-Known Member

    I think the post was intended to mean, the last time they were on the podium at the same time. But, yes the last time they competed together would have been the 2002 Olympics.
  11. lulu

    lulu New Member

    Yup. Elvis placed 8th. Sometimes I forget Elvis skated in the SLC games. :slinkaway
  12. Jessica

    Jessica Well-Known Member

    He had to be old enough for Nagano since he went to WC that year.
  13. skatingguy

    skatingguy Well-Known Member

    Mishin pulled Plyushchenko from 1998 Olympics - my recollection is that Mishin thought Plyushchenko was too young.
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2014
  14. kuzytalent

    kuzytalent Banned Member

    This is not true. He never qualified. Kulik and Yagudin were both above him and beat him in all head to head competition that year, so he had no claim to being on the 2 man team. Had Urmanov been able to skate even Yagudin who had beaten Plushenko 4 straight times that year would have been bumped off the team.

    The only reason he skated at Worlds was Kulik's WD.
  15. Garden Kitty

    Garden Kitty Tranquillo

    Watching these Olympics is making me nostalgic. My first "in person" skating event was 2003 Worlds, and I can't imagine that any of the skaters who were there will still be skating after this season. Right now, there are still a few - Joubert, Pluschenko, Kostner, McCorkell and I'm sure some others I'm forgetting.
  16. Susan M

    Susan M Well-Known Member

    Plushenko was born in March 1982, so he would have been 15 by July 1997.

    You guys are hallucinating. Plushenko wasn't on the 98 Olympic team because at that time he was seen as their 3rd best skater (ignoring the injured Urmanov) and Russia had only 2 spots. One went to Kulik, who was 96 World silver medalist and won Russian Nationals and the GP finals (then called Champions Series) leading up to the Olympics. The second spot went to Yagudin, who was bronze medalist at 97 Worlds (securing Russia its second spot), 3rd at Nationals (behind Kulik & Urmanov), 4th at the GP finals, and won 98 Europeans. kuzytalent is right. That season, Yagudin was always ahead of Plushenko who was 4th at Nationals, 5th at GP finals, and 2nd at Europeans.

    By what rationale should they have bumped either of those guys off the team?
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2014
  17. DELTA

    DELTA Active Member

    Will Chan stick around for another 4 years?
  18. skatingguy

    skatingguy Well-Known Member

    Sorry I should have posted it differently - my recollection is that Mishin didn't want Plyushchenko to go to the Olympics that year - but yes I was aware that he didn't qualify.
  19. kuzytalent

    kuzytalent Banned Member

    Well if he said that it is pure BS. Mishin badly wanted 2 of his skaters to be the 2 men competing, be that any combination of Urmanov, Plushenko, or Yagudin. That was simply never going to happen after Kulik won Nationals, and topped it off by winning the Grand Prix final for good measure. However had Plushenko made the team do you think Mishin would have ever pulled him out for Yagudin (who he liked less than Plushenko always), Kulik, Alexander Abt, or anyone other than possibly Urmanov. Of course not. That was just a good PR statement when it was clear he just wasnt going to make it.
  20. watchthis!!

    watchthis!! Well-Known Member

    It's too bad there are no threads on FSU about Plushenko where people can talk about him. Oh well, a couple of hundred posts about him won't clutter up this Retirements thread too much.

  21. Susan M

    Susan M Well-Known Member

  22. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

    No, his birthday is Nov 3 (I know this b/c it's also my b-day (diff year) ;)). If you're looking at his ISU bio, birthdates are written with the day and month reversed. :)

    But yes, he did go to the WC in 98 - was he grandfathered in due to a medal at the World Junior Champs the previous season? I think they used to have that exception, b/c I remember Sasha Cohen was sent to World Juniors in 2000 to try to medal to be able to go to Worlds. I wonder if that exception applied to the Olympics, too, though, b/c I thought I remembered reading that he couldn't go - I think that's when I found out he and I had the same birthday, lol.
  23. umronnie

    umronnie Well-Known Member

    He was also 2nd at Europeans in 98, so either he was old enough by 1998 age rules or he got there on his JW gold the previous year.
  24. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    BREAKING: Plushenko retired. ;)
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  25. moviechicko_o

    moviechicko_o New Member

    His birthday is listed as November 3, 1982.
  26. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    This time...stay tuned...
  27. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    Tomas Verner has retired with Olympics being his last competition (and he narrowly missed making it into the top 10 :().
  28. skatak

    skatak Well-Known Member

    Brian Joubert calls it quit too. oh well.
  29. BittyBug

    BittyBug Living in a Kleptocracy

    Verner, Joubert, Plushenko :wuzrobbed
  30. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    I was just going to mention Verner. 2003 Worlds was the first time I saw him skate. He had to withdraw from 2003 Euros, and several people in Malmo told me how much promise he had. Gheorge Chiper had a student in Sochi, Zoltan Kelemen. Kostner was a baby that year and competed Euros, Jr. Worlds, and Worlds. Hongbo Zhao was in Sochi with Pang/Tong, retiring with these Olympics, and Peng/Zhang: at 2003 Worlds, he was competing against P/T and Zhang/Zhang. The only two active skaters from Pairs are Hao Zhang and Tatiana Volosozhar, who at 17, not much older than Kostner, skated in DC with Petro Kharchenko. In Dance, Chait has been in Sochi as coach and choreographer for the Israelis -- ironic that the only discipline for which they didn't qualify is Dance. No dancers are still competing. I'm not sure if Scali is in Sochi: he's been coaching with Krylova/Camerlengo, who have a number of teams competing.