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Rachael's plans

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by jlai, Mar 27, 2010.

  1. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    At her first Worlds. A lot of skaters finish low in the standings at their first Worlds, and improve after that. It's not a "one strike and you're out" system. :)
  2. OliviaPug

    OliviaPug Well-Known Member

    I think the right two ladies represented the U.S. at the Olympics and Worlds this year.

    As for Rachael's future, I think she should continue to skate -- rather than wonder how she would have done or regret not having tried. She'll get all her answers regarding skating and school soon enough by following that path.

  3. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    I agree. Her LP costume last year was quite flattering and the color was perfect, whereas her costumes this year are not the most flattering in fit or color. Rachael should wear more blue, it goes well with her skin and hair.
  4. FSWer

    FSWer Well-Known Member

    If were talking about Rachael Flatt. Is this an old thread? She already does compete. Though I sure hope at least that she never retires.
  5. query5

    query5 New Member

    good luck to rachel whichever way she decides.
    she can do both-she does both skating and college, she will have to work hard at both. it is her decision. lets us congratulate her on her opportunity to do both and wish her well in both endeavors.
    in skating she needs to speed up of bit.
  6. barbk

    barbk Well-Known Member

    I would guess that with Rachel's academic and athletic achievements that she may well have some other college acceptances released on April 1st, and she'll need to make some choices.
  7. Lacey

    Lacey Well-Known Member

    I think Rachael is in a great position: she can do whatever she wants. I have a feeling that she will choose whichever school works with her skating. I hope that she can see beyond that just in case she retires from skating before graduation. She needs to pick one of the schools obviously that picks her and then one that has good ice time and coaching available. She should try it for as long as she wants and then walk away with her head held high for all of the very good years of skating that she has had.

    But I very strongly feel this: that the powers (judges) that be in the USFS like to anoint their champions. Thus, Alissa has had her chance, Rachael hers, even Mirai made it to the top as a baby of 14, I believe. So, I think that they will be looking to vault Ashley to the top this year or perhaps re-award Mirai. And they will either go with newer baby skaters after that or cling on to either Ashley or Mirai for Sochi 2014. The only one not mentioned here is Emily, but for her I unfortunately think she missed her mark and that, for all of the good years of skating she gave to her country, she was never in the right position at the right time to become its champion. And I also don't see another placeholder in here for Rachael--she made it this year, good for her, but I don't think it's going to happen again. It's just the system.
  8. euterpe

    euterpe Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I don't see any drive on USFS's part to anoint Wagner the next US champion. She had just as good a chance as Mirai or Rachael at 2010 Nationals, and she blew it, just as she did in 2009.

    If Rachael stays in, she has just as good a shot (or better) to defend her US championship than Ashley has to win her first. To my way of thinking, Ashley is reminding me of Angela Nikodinov, who was always in the mix but never quite broke out.
  9. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    If Mirai has a decent GP season, I expect her to get a 2nd national championship. Her Olympic placement, and World's short will give USFS good reason to give it to her.

    (Though I prefer to think skaters earn these things...)
  10. Bev Johnston

    Bev Johnston Well-Known Member

    That is definitely better! She needs the wider shoulder straps, like in the photos. She should never ever go strapless or wear skinny straps.
  11. FSWer

    FSWer Well-Known Member

    I sure wish her luck in school at whatever she studies. But I sure am glad too that she wants to keep skating,and I hope she does,and like I said...never retires.
  12. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    I think it'll be more like, if she has a decent GP season AND skates decent programs at Nationals, she's likely to get a 2nd national championship.

    Good past results (Olympics, Worlds short, decent GP if it happens) will earn her benefit of doubt and perhaps generous PCS, she tends to earn good GOEs on spins and spirals on their own merit even if the jumps aren't working, but that can only hold her up so far if she doesn't skate well or jump successfully and others do.
  13. IceKween

    IceKween New Member

    She has been poorly packaged. Wasn't it last year that she had that awful boring program that she ended up ditching for Worlds? Someone is not doing their job. Maybe Tom Z is a great jump coach, but he just can't get her to the next level. It might not even be his fault, since she considers herself a student first and foremost and then an athlete. Also, the fact that Flatt proudly proclaims that she has never taken a ballet class really makes me shudder. Yeah, Rachael, it's obvious. No surprise there... Not impressed.
    I'd like to see her develop as a skater, but I think school will always take precedence. So, that's great, she'll have a 4.0 and go to med school. But I think she should just eschew all things skating if she does that. It would be a half hearted attempt at best, sorta like Sarah Hughes coming back for SOI playing Fannie Brice on Ice in a not good way.
    And frankly, I'm surprised that her packaging is so awful. Are there no gays in COSpgs? Someone just needs to get a hold of her and say "Darling this does NOT work. I will help you." Who was her choreographer? I'd have spent an entire session just forcing her to skate with her head up, shoulders down just to show she owns a neck. Something is off there, and I'm not sure who is to blame.
  14. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

    Lori Nichol.
  15. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller #1 Dick Button Fan

    I wish Rachael well.

    I am seriously hoping that next season's top US sr ladies (Sr G-P Circuit or otherwise) will consist of, in no particular order:

    Mirai Nagasu
    Ashley Wagner
    Christine Gao
    Amanda Dobbs (if she raises the number of triples)
    Agnes Zawadski (absolutely would be a plus...SENIORS, please)
    Angela Maxwell (hopefully healthy again)
    Alexe Gilles (showed signs of promise and delight last season)

    Rachael would do great in school, unless she want to continue the also-ran path...safe and dependable, if not outstanding.
    Zhang? She needs to be put out of her misery...find another hobby and be happy!
    Hughes? Back to school, please.
    Czissny...good grief.

    Ring in the new - Ring out the old!
  16. carriecmu0503

    carriecmu0503 Active Member

  17. RockTheTassel

    RockTheTassel Well-Known Member

    I can't believe yet another discussion of homosexuality and stereotypes is starting in a non-Johnny related thread. Who would have thought shiny, good girl Rachael Flatt would trigger this? :lol:
    CynicElle and (deleted member) like this.
  18. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    If Christina Gao grows up next season and looks like more of a senior lady, I think SHE will be national champion.

    The commentators clearly LOVE her, as they should :D. They don't talk about most of the other skaters like that.
  19. sk9tingfan

    sk9tingfan Well-Known Member

    I have to give her kudos for her consistency, however, I tend to doubt that her body lines, stretch etc. will improve at this point in time. No ballet and probably no Pilates or similar exercise for 17 years is not easily overcome. In addition, based on some comments that have been made here, she probably would be resistant to trying some of those options.

    When I compare her with the likes of Mirai, who is so stretched and elegant, there is no comparison. I also wonder if her PCS will improve in the future, given how the judges marked her at the Olympics and Worlds. Again, comparing her with Mirai, it appears that the international judges prefer Mirai on the whole, no matter how consistent Rachel is. j

    Given her emphasis on education, I think that shunning the likes of Stanford, which could very well set her up for life professionally, I just can't see it. I guess that time will tell.
  20. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    I miss Angela! What a little firecracker! For such a tiny girl she has some really nice, big jumps :D. Don't know if she'll get GP assignments next season though considering she didn't compete at nationals. But she did go to the JGPF so maybe that will be enough to get assignments.
  21. RockTheTassel

    RockTheTassel Well-Known Member

    Oh, she's certainly not better than Mirai. I was making the case for her being the second best US lady, which I believe her to be at this point. Though I see her being surpassed, possibly as soon as next season if Ashley steps it up or one of the younger girls wows everyone. But Rachael could still be in it if that doesn't happen.
  22. shawnie21

    shawnie21 Member

    Sorry to nitpick, but that's not true. She's said in several articles that she does take ballet? When did she say that she didn't?
  23. The Fly On The Wall

    The Fly On The Wall Active Member

  24. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

    To get to the next level in skating, the improvements Rachael needs to make are tough but not impossible. I don't see them happening over the summer, though. She will not surpass 5th place internationally, and indeed, risks dropping from 5th permanantly, without addressing her on ice issues.

    Since her skating would be improved by spending some time focusing on carriage and extension, and since she's graduating from high school now, why not take a year off NOW and focus on her weak spots without the pressures of competition?

    I just don't see the point in skating next season, and potentially taking '11-'12 off. We saw how hard it is to return to competition after a break. Why try to do that one year closer to sochi?

    This is the natural year for her to be a freshman. Go! Enjoy freshman year, workout, take dance classes and pilates, and skate with an ice dance coach.

    Honestly, is she does have a bad back as has been reported, why hasn't she been taking pilates as pt?
  25. mishieru07

    mishieru07 New Member

    I thought so too. I remember reading that she does ballet, which surprised me because her posture, extension and port de bras are terrible imo. I think she needs to step up her ballet classes; maybe add modern or jazz as well. She has to work on the details like carriage and polish, otherwise she's going to pale in comparison to the other ladies should they ever jump as well as her. Her consistency is no longer a given advantage.

    If Flatt stays in, I think repackaging is seriously in order. She'll need to maximize her strengths by avoiding lyrical/ balletic programmes. Team Flatt can look at how Team Yu Na does it. And avoid what Team Mao did this season - choose unflattering costumes and music.
  26. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    It might be, but Flatt was top ten in the FS, and Nagasu wasn't.
  27. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    I'd also say 1997 (?) when she was with Oppegard and an excellent program to "Cinderella", when she lost to Nicole Bobek with her "Giselle".
  28. Jot the Dot Dot

    Jot the Dot Dot Headstrong Buzzard

    This should clear up one issue: (tried to link, didn't work. Just google for "Rachael Flatt Ballet, and get the answer).
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2010
  29. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

    Or yank her hair straight back.
  30. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

    RE Gao and Zawadzki, does anyone know if they will be Seniors next season?