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Police Pepper Spray 8 Yr Old

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by skaternum, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. skaternum

    skaternum Grooving!


    Wow! At first I was pretty appalled, but then I read the entire article. The kid had a stick and was threatening his teachers. Chased them into a closet or something like that, and said if they came out, they'd die. He'd thrown chairs and turned over a TV cart by the time the police arrived. His mom, of course, faults the police. :rolleyes:
  2. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

    You want to act like a big boy then you will get treated like a big boy, I say...

    I understand the mother is going to wish they didn't have to pepper spray her son but let's get real. This sounds like the type of mother who will find any excuse for her child. That is probably a big reason why he has such behavior issues, he has probably never been held accountable or disciplined correctly. Also, pepper spray is not going to kill or maim you. It isn't as if they shot him or used a stun gun. He will be fine.

    For the record, I don't believe this ONLY happens at school. Not for a second.
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  3. judiz

    judiz Well-Known Member

    Mom claims child only exhibits behavior at school and is undiagnosed. This was his third incident this year and he is in a school for children with emotional and behavioral difficulties. If it was my kid I would be taking him to every doctor in the world to find out what was wrong and how to make him better.
  4. Kasey

    Kasey Correcting President Trump's grammar on Twitter :)

    ......instead of finding fault and blame in everyone around him.
  5. PrincessLeppard

    PrincessLeppard Holding Alex Johnson's Pineapple

    I find it difficult to believe that this (his tantrums) only happens in school.
  6. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    Right. I agree as well. My friend's daughter had a classmate that would have extreme tantrums at school. The mother claimed she never did that at home. Turns out that the mother was always dropping the kid off at her mother's so that she could go hang out with her boyfriend. So she didn't know if she had the tantrums or not.

    I'm torn on this. I thinking pepper spraying a child is a little extreme, but I understand to a certain extent.
  7. ArtisticFan

    ArtisticFan Well-Known Member

    I saw the promos/teases for the story on Good Morning America. I hate to judge by appearance, but the little boy looks like he would be trouble. He kept smiling at the camera and looking like he was proud to be there. I realize he's a child, but his mother should have at least told him to look like he was sad or upset over the incident.

    I wonder how the interview went after I left for work.

    While I don't teach now, I spent a great deal of time in the elementary classroom when I was studying to get my certification. I've had students do things where I did fear for my safety. I'm talking five year olds included. Each time a student threatened another student, group of students, or a teacher, a parent would be called. Without fail, the parents would say that their son/daughter didn't act that way at home and that we must be mistaken.
  8. Satellitegirl

    Satellitegirl New Member

    The reason why it probably only happens in school, is because he's probably a spoiled little sh!t at home that gets his way. Some people really really shouldn't have children.
  9. danceronice

    danceronice Corgi Wrangler

    I saw the clip on Fox & Friends, and the little brat was sitting there grinning and actually SAID, "I have aggression issues." I think someone's been told he's a special snowflake with a 'disorder' who just can't help himself. (Later in the hour they ran some e-mail and Twitter comments from viewers that...sounded a lot like this thread, actually.)

    Mommy should just be grateful the cops didn't use a taser on his spoiled behind. I'm sure they'll have to some day at this rate.
  10. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

    It does sound like he has been told over and over that he can't help it and that it isn't his fault he has behavioral problems. He is just a child so he thinks he can do whatever he wants and it is ok because he can't help it. I don't even know if he realizes that he is taking advantage of the situation but his mother knows better.
  11. Grannyfan

    Grannyfan Active Member

    I saw the interview. When asked why he acted this way, the boy said something like "I was really angry." Apparently, the trouble started on the bus, and then he didn't get to do some things he wanted to do at school, according to him. When asked if he would really have hurt someone with the pointed piece of wood he had, he said he might have. He wanted to. The mother seemed completely oblivious to the fact her child has a serious problem. Even though the police have been called twice before this incident, she thinks it's the school's fault. And of course she will be filing a complaint. Seems to me the parents of all the other children this boy is around at school should be filing complaints.

    I'm sorry if I don't have his words exactly right, but that's how I remember what he said.
  12. FigureSpins

    FigureSpins Well-Known Member

    While it's nice to think that every child can be "fixed" if you just find the right drug, therapist, school, teacher, etc., if the kid doesn't want to be "right," no one can persuade them to change their behavior. The boy obviously likes the attention and being able to blame things on his disability and walk away without repercussions. Why the mother let him be interviewed is ominous and telling, too.

    James Lehman ("Total Transformation" program) felt that kids could "train" their families into doing what they wanted in order to avoid a meltdown or violence. While I do think the mother's overstating the truth a bit, she might be so overwhelmed that she can't see that there's an issue. Not making excuses, because she probably has issues of her own to not recognize the problem earlier.

    Does calling him a snowflake mean he's so special that the rules don't apply to him?

    I really liked Lehman's reply to that situation. He said that disabilities are not an excuse - kids need to learn to cope with their problems and fit into society. Some people object to that stance, everyone is unique, but I think for mild disabilities, it's a valid stance to take. For a child with a severe autism diagnosis, it'll take more than getting tough, but for a kid who just is lacking in self-control, Lehman's right. They need coping mechanisms and discipline, but more over, consistency.
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  13. Badams

    Badams Well-Known Member

    My daughter has a girl in her class that acts out, not as bad as this boy yet, but they are only 4. Her parents tell everyone it's ok, because she's "ODD". Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Nevermind trying to work with the child to better deal with the issue, just throw a diagnosis on it and let it continue. Some parents seem to use a diagnosis as an excuse, and just continue to be lazy parents. I feel bad for the well behaved kids who have to deal with this nonsense.
  14. my little pony

    my little pony war crawling into canada

    pepper spraying the little heathen could have prevented the situation from escalating even further. even if the mother doesnt care about anyone else, she probably isnt interested in legal problems. if you think a kid that young can't really hurt anyone,
    when I was in college, a girl doing her student teaching was dragged down the stairs by her hair by a third grader and has permanent damage.
  15. Spinner

    Spinner Where's my book?

    An 8 year old boy? The police couldn't just pick him up? Really?
  16. dbell1

    dbell1 Well-Known Member

    I had a kid like this in my Scout Den. Father had the same type of angry outbursts. Little brother was 10 times worse. Kid had actually broken his grandmother's dog's back on purpose. Dog had to be put down. :( Grandmom cut all contact with them after that. No other family member would be near the children. After a violent incident in my home, and the parent's "he's special" BS denial, I refused to have them in my meetings. Found out later that dad had gone to school once and threatened to shoot some people. Thankfully, they're out of the school system now, but I wonder what fresh hell they're creating in a new school with their 'special' children.

    People that refuse to acknowledge their child needs help and swear nothing ever happens at home should seriously be hauled up on charges. Some people shouldn't breed.
  17. FigureSpins

    FigureSpins Well-Known Member

    Mainstreaming is a double-edged sword: it helps keep kids with issues on track, but many classes suffer. I have to think that it really does affect our school performance grades when there aren't enough resources to manage their cases.

    My kids have a classmate who gets extra time to finish tests and schoolwork. The whole class has to wait until he's finished before they can move on to the next lesson. The girls and their friends complain that they're bored - they finish in 30 minutes and he takes 90, sometimes even a second day, to complete his work. They read books in Math for hours because no one's allowed to talk while he's working. My kids keep their books and papers away from him because he will impulsively grab and tear things when he's frustrated. At least he's not hitting anyone - he knows that's wrong. Still, it causes resentment.
  18. AliasJohnDoe

    AliasJohnDoe Headcase Addict

    I would have tazered the little shit. Then tazered his parents before I sent them to parenting classes.
  19. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    It sounds as though he'll likely have more severe "issues" in the future.
    I'm not sure that putting him on television is a good idea.
    Attention may feed his behavior..
  20. agalisgv

    agalisgv Well-Known Member

    Why doesn't the child just take his test in another (quiet) room or the library? If it's an issue of missing the new material, someone can take notes while the child is gone and pass it on.

    Maybe an inclusion specialist/school social worker needs to work with the teacher to come up with a better accommodation plan.
  21. CantALoop

    CantALoop Well-Known Member

    At first I was like :eek: at the headline, but when I think about it, that was probably the best option because the officers could subdue the kid without any physical contact.

    That's probably why the teachers got chased in a closet as well - even if they were physically capable of subduing the kid, it wouldn't look good in court if the brat got any bruises or injuries if someone tried to wrestle and subdue him.
  22. taf2002

    taf2002 zexy demon

    I agree. It can be very dicey for a non-family member to touch a child. The mother says the pepper spray was too much, but she would be the 1st one screaming police brutality if the police had picked him up & taken the stick away from him.
  23. danceronice

    danceronice Corgi Wrangler

    Play on the whole "Everyone is a special snowflake--unique!" And people who buy into this tend to think rules don't apply them. I'm sure he's been told he's got a disorder and nothing is his fault.
  24. FigureSpins

    FigureSpins Well-Known Member

    I don't know why this was the solution. He doesn't have an aide with him. He's a nice kid, very smart, but has special needs for taking tests. Do I as the parent of another student have the right to challenge this solution? I honestly don't know and I'm leery of being called insensitive, but really, my kids should be learning in school, not twiddling their thumbs for long periods of time.

    This teacher only gives out homework after DH and I have a conference with her and ask about homework. That lasts two weeks and then there's no homework until the next parent:teacher conference. I think she's milking this "take your time" situation so she doesn't have to teach. One of other kids in the class (who is a gossip) says she reads magazines and shushes them until the boy finally finishes.

    There's a new principal coming in (the old one retired suddenly on 2/28) so I'll see if that changes anything with her classroom/homework. My kids are going to be in the same class with him for another year because they're in the same honors class for english and math.
  25. agalisgv

    agalisgv Well-Known Member

    Sounds like it to be honest. Not only does it cheat your children out education time, it makes the boy stand out more from his peers--not a good integration plan.

    Would it be possible to transfer to another class? I ask because it sounds like the teacher is trying to get out of work, and that won't change even if the accommodation plan is altered. You could (and probably should) talk to the principal about it though.
  26. FigureSpins

    FigureSpins Well-Known Member

    A transfer's not an option: there's only one "honors" class for the grade level. They're allegedly doing high school work. It makes me wonder what they could be doing if they weren't playing the waiting game and not being assigned homework. I know this teacher wasn't supposed to be their math teacher, but the original person hired for September wasn't certified properly for the high school math, so she had to take over the class. I guess she's burned out or ticked off. Whenever we talk to her, she's all sunshine and flowers, emphatic that they're all doing so well, but I don't think that's really the case.

    We had to ask for a waiver to send the girls here instead of our zoned school, sacrificing school bus service because we're off the transportion map. The reading percentiles at the zoned school are 39% on or above grade level, compared to this school's 70%. My kids read at a level several years higher than their grade and I didn't want to chance seeing those numbers drop.

    The new principal can't come soon enough for me. Even if no one says anything, the teachers will be performing because there are plenty of qualified instructors willing to take their place. I think there was an "old boys/girls" network under the former principal, so some teachers took advantage of his good nature.
  27. rjblue

    rjblue Having a great day!

    My son was an extremely obedient, cooperative, quiet preschooler. I could take him to church at 2 years old, and never miss a word of the mass. Everyone who babysat for me commented on how easy he was to look after, because he always did what was asked, and never fussed when answered with "no".

    I was absolutely floored when his kindergarten teacher commiserated with me on what a handful he was. My little boy who would sit for an hour to be read to, or play with lego for hours, and demanded very little attention, could not sit still at school at all.

    To this day (grade eight), he still is a completely different child at home and at school. And I'm still struggling with the concept that I'm supposed to make my loving, polite, helpful son feel sad and angry at home because the teachers are unhappy with his behavior.
  28. numbers123

    numbers123 Well-Known Member

    While this may be true, it not be true. Having had a difficult child myself, I can't tell you how many people told me that I didn't hold him accountable for his actions. Which was totally untrue - several agencies would tell you that I held him accountable for his actions.

    I was always a better parent before I had children.

    That said I saw the interviews on the today show - and on the surface I agree that the mother is not holding him accountable for his actions. The amount of press time/attention that both child and mother are getting = they seem to thrive on it.
  29. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    You're talking about an 8 year old. A grown up police officer could have easily restrained him without the use of pepper spray, Taser or tear gas. :p
  30. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    An 8 years old can bite, scratch, kick, etc. Yeah, the police officer will eventually be able to subdue him but not without getting scratches and bruises on him and probably also get bruises on the kid, which will of course be photographed and broadcasted on the local evening news.