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Now that you saw all top Russian pairs....

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by icewalker08, Dec 16, 2010.

  1. icewalker08

    icewalker08 New Member

    According to fsskate.ru there will be 14 pairs at this year russian nationals but we all know who are the top seven. Here is the name of these teams with their highest mark of this season (first domestic then international marks)

    Yuko Kawaguchi - Alexander Smirnov 187.38 182.70
    Lubov Ilyushechkin - Nodari Maisuradze 168.24 177.44
    Tatiana Volosozhar - Maxim Trankov 201.45 dont have
    ksenia Stolbova - Fedor Klimov dont have 159.79
    Katarina Gerboldt - Alexander Enbert 174.70 160.42
    Vera Bazarova - Yuri Larionov 184.39 183.00
    Maria Mukhortova - Jerome Blanchard 173.99 dont have (its before Memorial NA Panina)

    So assuming that you saw at least one performance of these teams, who are your favourites.

    Here is my favs :
    1-Lubov Ilyushechkin - Nodari Maisuradze :D Just love them specailly since they land their elements.
    2-Maria Mukhortova - Jerome Blanchard beautiful to watch even with two empty programs.
    3-Tatiana Volosozhar - Maxim Trankov strong team
    4-Vera Bazarova - Yuri Larionov
    5-Yuko Kawaguchi - Alexander Smirnov They have the best lp this year but still ....
    6-ksenia Stolbova - Fedor Klimov
    7-Katarina Gerboldt - Alexander Enbert

    And their placement at nationals considering they do clean, their Technical ability, programs, russian federation politics:

    1-Tatiana Volosozhar - Maxim Trankov
    2-Yuko Kawaguchi - Alexander Smirnov
    Its hard to decide between these two but somehow I think federation is more supportive towards V&T
    3-Vera Bazarova - Yuri Larionov
    4-Lubov Ilyushechkin - Nodari Maisuradze I am optimistic here actually they must be third but they may even put behind M&B :(
    5-Maria Mukhortova - Jerome Blanchard
    6-Ksenia Stolbova - Fedor Klimov
    7-Katarina Gerboldt - Alexander Enbert
    Again optimistic here!
    So what are yours?
  2. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller #1 Dick Button Fan

    Even though K/S showed improvements at Cup of Russia, I am really hoping that they not win Russian Nationals this year. It would be great to see I/M or B/L win. My personal faves are the elegant & quiet B/L...but I'm still saddened by their G-P Final meltdown, with I/M topping them.
  3. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

    I really want V/T to win the title! They are exciting yet elegant. If it were up to me, I/M would be 2nd and either B/L or M/B 3rd. I realize K/S are a good team but she is so awkward and ungraceful and its like limbs everywhere. Therefore, I don't like them anywhere as much as the other teams. I quite like G/E but they are not ready yet...in any country other than Russia they'd be at Worlds.

    Realistically, the Euros team will more than likely be K/S, B/L and I/M, with the world team being V/T, K/S and whoever performs best at Euros of the other two
  4. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    I didn't know V&T had scored so high anywhere yet. I think they might win now! I can't wait to see more of them. I only saw their test skates, which was a long time ago, but I liked them together.

    Out of the ones I've seen a lot of, I really like Gerboldt and Enbert. B/L and I/M are alright, but I'm just not totally feeling them. lol.

    I haven't seen any of the others at all.
  5. loopey

    loopey Well-Known Member

    Here is the order I think they will finish in:
    1. K/S
    2. V/T
    3. B/L
    4. M/B
    5. I/M
    6. G/E
    7. S/K

    Here are my favorites in order:
    1. V/T (although I am impatient and want more speed now!)
    2. I/M (need some smoothness, but just adorable)
    3. M/B (lovely to watch, I guess I am a sucker for snot)
    The rest in any order:
    4. B/L ( probably will like them more when her issues are resolved, not yet)
    5. K/S (I do like the new LP)
    6. S/K (they need speed, power and a personality, but they are young)
    7. G/E (he needs presence, she is beautiful but overwhelming)
  6. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    In order of how much I like them: V&T, I&M, K&S, G&E, M&B, S&K, B&L

    Placements at Nats:
    1. K&S
    2. V&T
    Gold definitely between these two. If V&T are clean and K&S are not, V&T would win, but you said to base this on the assumption everyone is clean. While V&T are amazing, the best they could realistically do at Worlds is bronze behind S&S and P&T. K&S have a gorgeous program that could win world gold. V&T can't go to Euros anyway, so the support through Nats and Euros would go to K&S (if they could beat S&S at Euros again, they'd have a good shot at Worlds since P&T are in terrible shape).

    3. B&L - Again this is assuming everyone goes clean (which hopefully they won't :EVILLE:). They have been getting good scores.
    4. I&M - Think that beating B&L at GPF puts them back on the radar. They still won't be judges' darlings, but they can stay ahead of M&B. The good news for them is that this placement would give them Euros, and if they could beat B&L at Euros, they would probably get the Worlds spot, which nobody really expected them to get.

    5. M&B - They could do better, as high as bronze if B&L and I&M make mistakes. They're a very good team but I see them getting lost in this field. B&L and I&M have quite good results on the GP, and M&B haven't competed internationally yet, so if I were the fed I'd be more comfortable sending the other two to Euros. But we shall see if Oleg can politik them into a spot.

    6. G&E - Love them, but they're not soup yet. They have difficult elements, but I always thought the Russians were more about rewarding the whole package, and that's more M&B.

    7. S&K - They have nice, polished, mature skating, but no spark (actually same goes for B&L, but judges seem to like them; they have a bit more speed).
  7. nanigirl

    nanigirl Member

    V&T cannot go to Euros but they can go to Worlds this year?
  8. IneZR

    IneZR New Member

  9. parasolka

    parasolka Member


    PEKINGMOO New Member

    That has to be the best 3 twist I've ever seen...it had the Rhythm, speed and softness of G&G...and the height of the Chinese...and a full split. OMG.
  11. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

    They need for Volozhozar to be out for 12 months from when she last competed for Ukraine - Feb 2011 will be 12 months after the Olys (not sure of exact date) so as a previous poster said - no to Euros (in January) and yes to Worlds (in March). However..... I thought the ISU introduced the new qualifying criteria for this season so V&T need a minimum qualifying technical score from a recognized competition sometime between the exact date in Feb that she becomes eligible to skate for Russia, and Worlds in March.

    I've read (somewhere on the board in the past few months) that there are 2 such small competitions in Europe that would suffice but last year they didn't hold pairs competitions due to lack of entries or something like that. So we may not see V&T at Worlds.
  12. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    If Russia really wants V-T to be at Worlds, they will organise for them one international competition to make sure that V-T have the opportunity to qualify. :lol: Or, alternatively, all their pairs will be sent compulsory to one of those two small competitions to make it worth it to run the pairs category! :)
  13. Taso

    Taso Well-Known Member

    Oh wow, every time I see them I can't even believe the improvements in every single aspect of their skating :eek: There is absolutely no way a performance of the calibre would place them out of the top 3 at Worlds, for sure...
  14. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    The problem is not every performance of theirs has looked liked that, they still struggle with jumps in most programs and they are still somewhat slow. In one competition they didn't get credit for a pairs spin. So hopefully they can be consistent from now on.
  15. Kasey

    Kasey Correcting President Trump's grammar on Twitter :)

    I think Moser has already said she'll send all her pairs to whichever event to ensure that a pairs competition is held.
  16. Tesla

    Tesla Whippet Good

    I don't know about that. I see maybe top five. They have no connection to the music and seem rather slow. They definitely need more time.
  17. Taso

    Taso Well-Known Member

    I honestly can't think of four other pairs with any connection to the music though :lol:. Ah, such is the state of CoP skating...I don't expect any musical expression until they're more comfortable with skating together at all, they have to think everything through and whoever choreographed this has no musical sense anyway :p I do agree there would be four pairs that are faster.
  18. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    I don't see four pairs with the overall package that V&T have though. Just S&S, P&T, and K&S. There's no strong American or Canadian pairs this year, and Sui/Han are not age eligible. V&T look like one of the top 2 Russians, and there aren't any other strong pairs in Europe. Takahashi/Tran are beatable for V&T.

    That only leaves the Zhangs. But still I'd say if V&T skate clean, they should be 4th at Worlds.
  19. Taso

    Taso Well-Known Member

    Well I hope that means everyone ahead of them were also clean, otherwise that would suck :p
  20. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    I dont see any chance of K&S winning the World title this year the way the Germans are skating. I will go on record now as saying I will be completely shocked if the Germans dont regain their World title. So if the Russian federation decide either of the top 2 teams could medal they might back V&T over K&S thinking they are a better bet long term.
  21. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    I think K/S main goal this year was to get back on the ice and stay healthy, I don't know if they are even worried about worlds at this point.

    I think K/S and V/T should be first and second; B/L third (if they are clean) M/B and I/M will be 4th and 5th in some order and G/E will get used to being in 6th place. It will be a great competition either way.

    I highly doubt the Russian Federation would send anyone to worlds over K/S :rofl:

    They have the second highest free skate score this season and will medal at nationals and europeans, as well as the win they got at Cup of Russia. There is no way they are not sending the two time world bronze medalists.

    As far as any competition goes, anything can happen. Injury, illness, airlines loosing skates and costumes :lol: It will be a great competition if everyone is 100%.
  22. yaoyao

    yaoyao New Member

    I think and I hope S/S,V/T,K/S are all on the Worlds podium, no matter what the order is.
    Could anyone tell me date and schedule of the Russian Nationals? Thanks!
  23. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    I hope so too but as Chinese #1 Pang & Tong will be placed on the podium as the silver or bronze medalist whether they deserve it or not. Next year they will be possily dropped as Chinese #1 in favor of Sui & Han depending how much Sui & Han improve. I believe S&H are age eligible for senior Worlds next year.
  24. Fallcolor

    Fallcolor Member

    of course I'd like to see V/T win, but think K/S will just from the level of program difficulty alone- clean or not. Hoping that V/T and I/M will round off the podium. B/L are gorgeous skaters but their program (in particular the SP) is just zzzzzzzzzz and uninspiring. M/B will probably finish 4th.
  25. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller #1 Dick Button Fan

    I just saw the V/Tteam on YouTube and...WOW! I now amend my original list. These two have the goods to be #1 at Russian Nationals now.

    How wonderful to see Tatiana finally have an equally great partner.
  26. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I'm really liking the V/T and M/B pairings. Both Tatiana and Maria look so much better with their new partners. :D
  27. yaoyao

    yaoyao New Member

    Yes, I agree with you! But I do not give up my hope! If Pang/Tong continue making so many mistakes and do not impove themselves, they will lose their place. It is a matter of time.
    Good luck to V/T, K/S!:)

    PEKINGMOO New Member

    Not only that...Pang has serious issues with body line...specifically during lifts. Her legs become wet noodles - there is absolutely no tension in her body - no style...and all things being equal, Pang does not have that Russian Pairs Skating Goddess presence that someone like Volosozhar or Savchenko has.

    I will say, P&T and K&S have the two best programs this season. As much as I like S&S, comedic programs have to be performed at the highest level to be taken half as seriously by the judges. In a one mistake against one mistake competition, they may loose in the PCS. I'm lukewarm on V&T's program choices...I think it's way too early to determine a musical style for them...but I think the Carmina Burana SP is a bit heavy for the new pairing...more like something she would have skated to with Morozov.

    Fozzie Bear, ITA. Maria looks so much softer now...and I find all of the skaters body lines match much better in the new pairings. Win for everyone!

    PEKINGMOO New Member

    Double post...sorry.
  30. Enthusiast

    Enthusiast New Member

    Definitely K/S- they look more comfortable with their programs here. M/T too (especially Maria!). V/T look okay but not my cup of tea at the moment (their programs), but they gel pretty nicely considering their new partnership.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2010