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No surprise if Lysacek skips nationals

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sugar, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    It says I have to become a something plus member to read the article? Ugh.
  2. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    Hersh says the real goal is Sochi and he doesn't need to rush back from his groin injury which requires a lot of rest so it's just shutting the door on this season maybe he's not even sure he is speculating.

    He also talks about Wagner going to Sochi gpf being a mixed bag because of it's location.
  3. jjane45

    jjane45 Active Member

    Hope Evan's well.

    Phil also mentioned Yuna Kim’s appearance at the Senior B in Germany will overshadow the Grand Prix Final the same weekend.
  4. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry Jenny Kirk isn't still doing weekly reports.

    At times Phil Hersh writes about skating with such contempt, you'd think he was doing it at gun point. (Having met a few seasoned journalists at skating events, he wouldn't be the only one, unfortunately)
  5. overedge

    overedge Janny uber

    The link worked for me.

    From the article:

    ``Lysacek withdrew from Skate America in October and decided not to go to Croatia for a Dec. 13-16 competition that would have allowed him to get his blades wet before nationals. So why did he skate in a made-for-TV cancer charity show in North Carolina last week?

    Lysacek’s agent, Shep Goldberg, told me that even if the skater was feeling ready to compete, the lengthy trip to Croatia could have affected the injury. Goldberg said Lysacek was committed to the Carolina event on a personal level, since his father, Don, is a cancer survivor. And Lysacek did not push himself in the exhibition, doing only two jumps.``

    You`d think Phil would have learned by now that there might be really good reasons why skaters cancel out of events, and would quit snarking at them because of it. It`s like they are only allowed to withdraw from something if he approves it in advance :rolleyes:
  6. kosjenka

    kosjenka Pogorilaya’s fairy godmother

    I heard a rumor that Lysacek was coming to Golden Spin of Zagreb.
    I guess the source actually knew something, but it is over now.

    Get well Even!
  7. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    I don't think it would be a surprise, either. Between his health issues and the rapidly increasing standard in men's skating, there's no point in pushing himself if it's not to compete at the highest level internationally.

    That said, skaters who don't just announce a comeback and are actually able to follow through deserve a great deal of credit (e.g. Plushenko, Johnny Weir, Shen & Zhao, presumably Yu-Na). It's not at all easy.

    As Hersh articles go, this was quite mild.
  8. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

    It would be hard to do axels with a groin injury. Any move that involves swinging your leg up and forward - even scratch spins would be painful and just make it worse. That is the first muscle to hurt when I come back to skating after taking time off.
  9. arakwafan2006

    arakwafan2006 Well-Known Member

    Evan would put himself in a unnecessary situation if he skips Nationals. I believe that it would give credit to OOT ego claims if he really believes that it would be in his best interest to not compete until next season. Hell; I think skipping the season in general is a poor decision. I dont know if i believe that he's really hurt. Plus if he is it just looks bad considering that earlier he wouldnt compete because of $$$ reasons. If he's well, he should get his butt out there for his own sake
  10. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    Not that I'm a huge fan of his, but I don't understand any part of this post. He should skate at Nationals even though he's injured because you have a hunch from your earlier magic 8 ball session that he's not actually injured? Because you're worried about fan backlash from claims of overego? Backlash which is, of course, much more worrisome than some groin injury?!? Why not just let him call the shots as he needs to and trust that he knows best what is good for him. I don't understand the need for a conspiracy theory.
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  11. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

    Usually an athlete can gradually return to his sport within one to two weeks after a groin injury. Didn't this injury occur even before Skate America?

    Link required signing up for something in order to read. Signed up for too many things already. lol
  12. Kasey

    Kasey Correcting President Trump's grammar on Twitter :)

    I'd kinda like to meet the person who would have been surprised if he didn't show up for nationals before this article. No, actually, skip that, I wouldn't...
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  13. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    Gradually return to training, or start competing again within 2 weeks?

    Depends on the specific injury as well as the sport.

    Tell it to Alexei Urmanov, who withdrew from Worlds in March 1997 with a groin injury and was unable to compete again until July 1998.
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  14. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

    Hope Evan will rest well and recover fully. He may still have a chance to skate in Sochi 2014 if physically fit soon. :eek: Gee... looks like it's common for 'returning athletes' to get injured. Will see how the other returning athletes fare?
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2012
  15. Jem X

    Jem X Who'll stop the rain

  16. Visaliakid

    Visaliakid Well-Known Member

    Evan has undergone heria operation and will be off ice for six weeks. With Nationals from Jan 20 - 27th, this would only allow him 3 weeks at most to train his programs to compete.

    I see him withdrawing and no return this season.

    Lysacek undergoes successful surgery to repair sports hernia - Source, U.S. Figure Skating
  17. Sugar

    Sugar Well-Known Member

  18. Canadask8er

    Canadask8er Member

    I feel this is an ongoing trend.... skaters trying to come back after not competing, become injured with career-threatening injuries. Are skaters coming back because there is a lack of a pro circuit as in the days after 1994?? If so, maybe there needs to be some intervention on life after skating and how to be successful in other areas of life?
  19. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

    Michelle Kwan could offer seminars.
  20. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    I'll honestly be surprised if Evan ever does come back to eligible competition. It would be nice if he did, but yeah, I'll be surprised.
  21. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Of course it wouldnt be, just like it would be no shock, actually no surprise whatsoever, if he never competes again. This isnt news to anyone.
  22. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    if you are a fan of Evan I am not sure why you think it would be nice. I am not an Evan fan, but if I were, I wouldnt want to see a guy who was World and Olympic Champion when he last competed come back and have no chance at any better than say 6th at Worlds, and that is if everything went right.
  23. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

    Boy, aren't you a ray of sunshine. Maybe Evan enjoys competing and pushing himself to the limit. Lots and lots of athletes compete (in fact the vast majority compete) without any hope of actually winning. There is only one winner. Good thing those who aren't sure they'll win keep competing or we wouldn't have competitions to watch.
  24. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C


    ...and Urmanov was never the same skater after that groin injury. He did not even make the Russian Olympic team, which would have given him a chance to defend his OGM
  25. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    Well, the reason he didn't make the 1998 Olympic team was that he was still too injured to try.

    But in the 1999 season he couldn't beat Yagudin at all and lost to 16-yr-old Plushenko more often than not.
  26. LadyNit

    LadyNit moving right along

  27. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    That is why I said he was never the same skater again. He never regained his jumps. He was still young enough to develop them, but the injury made it impossible.
  28. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry there is no longer a professional competitive circuit where skaters like Lysacek, Weir, Kwan and others could flourish.

    Instead, skaters who have been away from competition for several years return to the grind of training against a new generation with bigger tricks. The risk of injury (as demonstrated with Evan and Johnny) is a blow to the body as well as the ego.
  29. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    I agree. It is an injustice to these skaters there is no longer a professional circuit. Well in Kwan's case I am not sure she would have been interested anyway, she seemed to love competing and wanting a wholew new life after that, but people like Evan and Johnny and many others seems to be wondering around not sure what to do when their amateur primes are over.