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Nice article on Rachael in the San Jose paper (not Skate Canada centric)

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by barbk, Oct 28, 2011.

  1. barbk

    barbk Well-Known Member

  2. PDilemma

    PDilemma Well-Known Member

    Three rinks and four coaches could provide diverse viewpoints. Or it could be a too many cooks in the kitchen situation.
  3. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    Wow. Of course, it's always reported that she's very smart but I always view reputed celebrity smarts with a grain of salt. Good for her. Every part of 'computational mathematical engineering' sounds like something I would not enjoy taking as a class.
  4. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

    aren't her parents engineers? for some reason I imagine that Rachael grew up with math and science bandied about the house like family lore.
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  5. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    Her schedule (and life) will be very busy this season.
  6. maureenfarone

    maureenfarone Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much for the link :). I hope she has a wonderful season.
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

  8. nubka

    nubka Well-Known Member

    It sounds like she a lot on her plate right now. I hope she can keep it all togeather without burning out. :) :)
  9. Cal Girl

    Cal Girl New Member

    That is an insane amount of pressure for anyone to survive. I hope she does, and does it well!
  10. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

    Why would Stanford build an ice rink? It's not like they have tons of elite ice skaters going there every year and the Redwood City rink is a 20 min. drive from campus.

    I think it helps if the coaches have a good working relationship. It's not unusual in this area for skaters to be sent to Charlie Tickner for help with jumps and/or to Sergei for help with polishing/choreography/edgework. I am pretty sure that similar arrangements were made in Colorado Springs between different coaches -- the only difference is that they were all at the same rink, which definitely makes scheduling less complicated.

    So that just leaves the fact that it seems like she has two main coaches, Justin and Lynn, as being a bit unusual. But I'm pretty sure those two have a good working relationship and have team coached skaters before.

    I bet as she settles into her schedule she finds only one of these four being her true main coach and the rest are there for supplementation.
  11. PDilemma

    PDilemma Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't question it, Macmadame, if it weren't for the arrangement of training at all three rinks with no indication of one being primary. The coaches are going to have to communicate flawlessly and constantly to make it work without a hitch or Rachael getting mixed messages.
  12. bardtoob

    bardtoob Former Choreographer for Anna Maria Tragikova

    I think she is better off having enrolled in the jr college :p of her choice. She will easily be let back into the farm if she decides to take time off to train until the cows come home ;)

    While deferring admission was a possiblity, an applicant for readmission has more rights, having been a matriculating student, than somebody with a past admission offer.
  13. BackOnTheIce

    BackOnTheIce New Member

    It is really two rinks, three coaches. One lead and two who assist and she is doing just fine with it all. Stop picking.
  14. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    I disagree for a variety of reasons.

    1. I think, as much as Rachael wants to skate right now, her future is uber-important to her and she wants the connections that she'll make at Stanford. Sure, a transfer can make those connections too, but that brings me to my next point.
    2. I took 5 APs in HS. Rachael took 7 (based on some articles I read. Brief aside: I got a lot more AP credit than she did. Bummer for her). She got straight A's. She worked hard. I know because I worked hard, too-I got nearly straight A's (math and science, you evil subjects!)-and, even with work, school, extracurriculars and all, she had to work a million times harder. And when you're in this for an education and you get into a school like Stanford or Harvard or one of those schools very few people get into, it would probably feel really crummy to say, "yay! I got into Stanford, but I'll be at Broadmoor Community College (or whatever the local CC is) for two years. Why did I work my butt so hard when I could've just gone there?" This applies only if the person can afford the top school, which I doubt was a major factor in her case (she probably got a few scholarships along the way, too).
    3. I think she likes this level of activity. I juggle a lot of activities ATM (school, work, sorority, family, extracurriculars, etc.) and I'm happy that I have so much going on in my life. Is it stressful? Yes. I've had essentially one midterm a week every week this semester. I'm taking 5 classes for 16 units and I realize now that this is more than I should be taking. So I'll cut back next semester. But do I like being busy and having things to do and being able to pursue more than just one thing at once? Yes! I can't imagine just being one thing. I think I'd get too burned out if I were just doing schoolwork, too absorbed if my whole life were about my sorority, and get sick of my family if they were the only people I ever saw. I think Rachael's the same way. I attribute her injury last season to the fact that she was only focusing on skating and NOTHING else.

    So no, I think Rachael's better off at Stanford. If she's anything like the person I think she is (overachiever talking overachiever here!), she'd feel like she wasted all that time getting good test scores and grades and working herself like crazy to wind up at the local community college where all it takes is a 2.0 and local residency.
  15. DickButtonFan

    DickButtonFan New Member

    I'm just amazed by her. Hope she has a great year.
  16. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    What happened during her LP? The comp isn't over, so the protocols aren't up yet...29.33 TES? 2 falls? Below Adriana DeSanctis? Anyone have any insight?
  17. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    There's lots of insight going on in the Skate Canada forum in Kiss and Cry. ;) I would prefer not to see the usual negativity rehashed here in GSD yet again, but I guess it's inevitable, sigh...
  18. fsfan22

    fsfan22 Member

    All of her triples except for the 3Lo+2T combo were under-rotated, as well as an under-rotated 2A, plus 2 falls (3S and 2A).

    As she was saying in the K&C, the program just needs some more training. It looked like it needed more miles and that she isn't fully comfortable with it yet.

    After reading this article, I have some doubts about all of the travelling she has to do just to get to a rink and train. I hope she can find a more efficient way of getting it done.

    I definitely haven't lost faith in her though. She's tough and she'll be back and better for Russia & Nationals.
  19. barbk

    barbk Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure bardtoob's comment was an inside joke: Stanford is, more completely, Leland Sanford Jr. University -- or junior college, in joke terms. AKA, the farm.
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  20. DickButtonFan

    DickButtonFan New Member

    Her firebird lp is a much better style for her.
  21. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    Trust me, my goal isn't negativity (you're looking at an uber here). I just don't have a subscription and I was curious to see if anyone had some insight as to what could be that bad. Now that the protocol came out, I'm really curious to see the program.
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Oh I know you're an uber :), but you're opening the door to the anti-ubers. ;) I just would rather have the negativity contained in as few different threads as possible, but I know that's not realistic. I did like seeing the positive interaction among Rachael and her coaches, Lynn Smith and Justin Dillon, in the Kiss and Cry after the FS.
  23. The Fly On The Wall

    The Fly On The Wall Active Member

    Well ain't it great to be you.........:rolleyes:
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  24. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

    Well, see... that's what I said: that one coach will be the main one. :D

    This is a very common arrangement in figure skating. We, the fans, don't always see it because a lot of time only the main coach is mentioned, but many elite skaters are working with assistants and specialists as needed throughout the season. It's really not as crazy as it seems in these articles.

    However, the articles have mentioned Charlie Tickner and he teaches at the Redwood City rink so that is at least 3 rinks. At least the RC one is quite close to Stanford. Lots of Stanford skaters practice there.
  25. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    Gee, thanks. :rolleyes: I still stand by points one and two, because Rachael really does want to pursue something that's going to require connections and stellar grades at a top school like Stanford. And because she did work so hard in high school. And because I can't imagine the stress she's under right now. She looked like she was going to cry at the end of her LP.
  26. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    victoriaheidi clearly just wanted an excuse to post about how amazing and successful she is. :p

    As for what seems to be Rachael's major issue, everyone can see that but it's a big taboo that won't be spoken about. :p
  27. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    Bingo! :D

    ETA: everyone gets that I don't mean that seriously, right? I just think Rachael deserves more credit than she gets for even giving this a shot...
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2011
  28. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member


    Honestly, poor kid is just not in competition shape. On one of her landings, it looked like her landing leg (the one that was injured) just crumpled. I thought she'd hurt herself!

    Was she monitored at all this summer?
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    She attended Champs Camp with all the other GP skaters.
  30. waddlercu

    waddlercu Member

    I hope Rachael's not too hard on herself. I'm sure most successful people know what it's like to take on too much and implode a little bit. She's at a good age to learn her limits, but it's a shame that so many people are watching. Sometimes, simply working/trying harder is not the answer.