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Moore-Towers // Moscovitch

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by ice.dance.girl, Nov 13, 2010.

  1. Mayra

    Mayra Well-Known Member

    You hit the nail on the head with the comparison. :eek:. Never more so than in the short program with that choreography! :yikes: I love perk as much as the next person, but the cutesy/perky choreography is cringe inducing IMO.

    Having said that, they have a lot of potential and some of their lifts are :kickass:. IMO They just need better vehicles to show off their strengths.
  2. flowerpower

    flowerpower Well-Known Member

    I don't like the SP choreography either, but they have improved their skills this year, and her positions are getting better. If they keep working hard, they will become more polished.

    Did the same person choreograph both the SP and LP?
  3. yfbg722

    yfbg722 Active Member

    Yes. Mark Pillay did both programs, this year and last I believe. He did all the KWSC teams. It's odd to see so many bashing it here. While at Indy, many people were wanting to know who the choreographer was because they liked his work so much.
  4. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Or they want to make sure they don't use him in the future.
  5. Shallwedance

    Shallwedance New Member

    I think the choreography is terrific, very exciting pairs choreography. Tracey Wilson I think likes it as well. I think their skating skills are extremely underrated here. Fast spins both sbs and pairs spins, fast feet, great lifts. Her positions are fine. Their unison can improve, the refinement can improve, but they are already light years ahead of other Canadian teams IMO, including D&D who have a smoothness to them, but whose basics have even gotten sloppy over time.
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  6. stjeaskategym

    stjeaskategym Well-Known Member

    Of course Tracey is going to like the top-scoring Canadian team's choreography. :lol: I mean, it's definitely better than what they were doing last year, but I don't think people are going to be lining up to use the same choreographer. There's still something missing. I'd probably enjoy it more if they weren't as rough around the edges and didn't do things like utilize the star position for every lift. But at least there has been effort to improve some of their issues. They are only a second-year team after all.
  7. yfbg722

    yfbg722 Active Member

    Given that many who asked were just spectators admiring the work, I'd think not. :rolleyes:

    I think you can blame COP for the repeated star position. It's an easy way to get an extra bullet I believe.
  8. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

    The poster said she liked their choreography - not that they were the highest placing Canadian team.

    Also - just because she is Canadian does not mean she gushes over all that is Canadian either. She regularly mentions specific areas where Canadian skaters can improve. I've always liked that about her.
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2010
  9. stjeaskategym

    stjeaskategym Well-Known Member

    Even if that's true, I just think it's more likely that a Canadian commentator will have only good things to say about the Canadian team that's skating the best. It's much harder for any commentator to whip out any criticisms on TV when the home team is placing well.
  10. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    Well, wherever the commentar would be from that would say M-T/M have great choreography, that makes me question their taste level. If the choreography isn't there, don't say it's great :eville:

    I do, however, think that Tracey Wilson is fairly balanced when it comes to commentating on Canadian skaters. I just think she is sometimes wearing rosed colored glasses.
  11. JasperBoy

    JasperBoy Aging in a great place

    FWIW, Mark Pillay choreographed many programs for Emanuel Sandhu.
  12. triple_toe

    triple_toe Well-Known Member

    I think their choreographer does a fantastic job at working within their limitations. Honestly, their lines and posture are pretty terrible, but their programs do the best to cover that up and keep the interest of the audience. It's not the choreographer's job to teach skaters deep edging, elegance, and posture; they just don't spend enough time with the skaters. Not everyone has the same opportunity as Yu Na, who worked with David Wilson everyday. I think Mark Pilay did a good job at using their perk and giving them programs that suit their strengths. The judges obviously like their programs.

    I'm not a fan of M-T/M at all, because I hate how unrefined and messy they look, but I can hardly blame their choreographer for the fact that Kristen can't point her toes. At the very least, their choreography is better than the boring, empty programs of Dube & Davison.
  13. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

    I think that saying the choreography "isn't there" is a bit of an exaggeration. It may not be the most sophisticated or orginal but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It isn't just crossover crossover element, crossover, crossover element without any details.

    In addition - being that they are a fairly new team and she is fairly new to pairs- I would say that the choreography is well suited to where they are in their development.

    Of course I can see why you disagree with it being "great" and it is your right to disagree with Tracy Wilson's taste.
  14. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    I would say it is crossover, crossover, some sort of entry variation, element without much to speak of in terms of other choreography or musical interpretation. Maybe saying it "isn't there" is a little harsh, but there isn't much of it there.
  15. geoskate

    geoskate Well-Known Member

    You may think it's more likely, but in actual fact what The Accordian said is correct. If she doesn't like something, she either says something constructively critical or she says nothing at all, no matter how the team is placing. It's actually quite interesting to 'read between the lines' on what she says, or doesn't say.
  16. Bournekraatzfan

    Bournekraatzfan Well-Known Member

    Yes, I remember him doing his LP for the 2005/2006 season, and I really liked that one. It really was abstract art.
    I also remember Mark working with Mira and getting her to really respond to music. I think he is a great choreographer and would love to see more of his work.
  17. Bournekraatzfan

    Bournekraatzfan Well-Known Member

    I really like the improvements they have made this year. and I saw Kirsten interacting with fans and the people around and she seems like a genuinely lovely girl (and Dylan seems equally as lovely). I personally like the energy of the SP as I just enjoy seeing skaters who love to skate. Good luck to them at the GPF!
  18. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

    New article

    Moore-Towers and Moscovitch jump into spotlight

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  19. clarie

    clarie Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting alilou. I really like what this team is doing thus far. The improvements from last year are noticeable this year. I wish them well at the GPF. :)
  20. JasperBoy

    JasperBoy Aging in a great place

    Thanks for that, Alilou. It was great to read about Kirsten and Dylan.

    I am a big fan. It is thrilling to see them do so well this year. As Dylan said, he has worked all his life for this, and suddenly it is here. That's exactly how it feels to me. All of a sudden, he's on the international stage.

    I will be there in Victoria, screaming my lungs out to help them win the championship.