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Michael & Debi Pearl's abusive parenting techniques

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Wyliefan, Oct 3, 2011.

  1. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Three children are now dead after their parents started using techniques from Michael and Debi Pearl's books. Hana Grace-Rose Williams died of hypothermia and starvation after being left outside all night. Before her, Lydia Schatz was beaten to death, and Sean Paddock was suffocated. The "disciplinary" tactics these books teach are actually abuse.

    These are horrible people, and they give Christians a horrible name. I have absolutely no patience with those -- because, believe it or not, there ARE those -- who try to argue that you should use the good parts of their books and ignore the rest, or that the parents must have misinterpreted the books. No. Three children are reported dead, and others badly injured, and they may not be the only ones. That is not misinterpretation.

    If you know someone who owns these books, please tell them about this. It's frightening how easily people can be deceived.
  2. Spareoom

    Spareoom Well-Known Member

    Have you actually read the books? I would encourage you to do so before you make assumptions on what it says. Many, many people can take any kind of technique or advice and twist it into their own thing that, while maybe originally rooted in the advice, is nothing like what was originally given. I have read that book, and others written by them, and I can assure you that the extreme abuse that happened is NOT endorsed or advised at all.
  3. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    The Pearls specifically say to hold down the child and to whip him with a quarter-inch plumbing supply line, or some other similar instrument, "until he is surrendered." That is exactly what killed Lydia Schatz.
  4. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    I went and read several articles right from the Pearls' site (http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/) and it all sounded pretty damned horrifying to me.

    Take this article, for example: http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/article...hild-training-marathon-revisited-and-updated/

    Some quotes:

    Earlier, Pearl calls the same SIX YEAR OLD BOY "Brilliant—in a wicked sort of way."

    But this one really got to me:

    Yes, the problem with the righteous discipline becoming abuse is not the abuse itself - but that your tyrannical child would then win the contest.
  5. maatTheViking

    maatTheViking Danish Ice Dance! Go Laurence & Nikolaj!

    I agree with michuriwater, the stuff on their website is terrifying. I can't imagine why anyone would ever beat their kid with a plumbing line?
    Those cases are so sad, but I also feel so sad for the kids whose parents do this with these dire consequences, they grow up in fear of their parents to be possibly quite broken adults.
  6. Lanie

    Lanie Well-Known Member

    How utterly horrific, disgusting, sad...all number of things. Those poor babies. Those horrific people.

    I cannot find any Christian love or mercy in my heart for the parents or the people who perpetuate this disgusting behavior in the name of disciplining one's children.

    I wouldn't be surprised if people I knew followed this stuff. Not at all.
  7. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

    Taking this only in the context posted above, I would guess the advice being given is to NOT use spanking, because it's an unwinnable battle - giving negative reinforcement only works when the subject admits the authority is there. If the subject does not accept the authority and continues to misbehave, the person giving the punishment is stuck either punishing ad infinitem, or admitting defeat. It's a standard dog training truism - don't hit your dog for misbehaving, because you'll just end up in an ever-escalating cycle of misbehavior and punishment.

    But I can also see where someone would interpret it to mean to never stop spanking, no matter what line it crosses. :scream:
  8. PDilemma

    PDilemma Well-Known Member

    You're assuming the Pearls are way more intelligent than they are.
  9. pingu

    pingu Well-Known Member

    I just hope those parents will spend many years in jail :mad:
  10. attyfan

    attyfan Well-Known Member

    Considering what often happens to child abusers behind bars, they may not.
  11. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Out of context, yes, I can see how it looks that way.

    In context, though, he's talking about taking a switch to a two-year-old boy.
  12. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Do you mean in the book they wrote? Most on Amazon have a problem with the book's content.

    I guess it doesn't matter if some people didn't think extreme abuse was written in the book or was endorsed or advised, they are charged with the murder of a child.

    Those parents disgust me along with anyone else who condones their behavior.
  13. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

    yeah, I don't know how anyone in this day and age could read that and NOT think the authors are crackpots :scream:
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