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Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by nuge, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. nuge

    nuge Well-Known Member

    Absolute Skating .
    Quote from Maurizio

    How do you think Ice dancing has changed over time ?

    Maurizio The big difference now is the quality of the skating :rofl:
    Sorry it just made me laugh :shuffle:

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

    Truthful fellow, isn't he?

  3. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

    I can picture Margaglio doing the twizzles and footwork the current top teams are doing and becoming a world champ with HIS quality of skating.;)
  4. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    The sentence in the first post looks funny in itself, but it is not an accurate reflection of Margaglio's comments in the AS interview. If you look at it in context, he wasn't suggesting that skating today is of lower quality, but rather that different qualities are emphasized than in the past:

    I think he brings up some valid points (though he's wrong about speed not being emphasized), and he certainly seems to be aware of the difficulty of competing in the current system and how it would have affected him.
  5. Finnice

    Finnice Well-Known Member

    Nuge, thanks for remining us of this article! I have to say that we in Finland are very happy to have him coaching here, and his wiews in the article are interesting.:babspmm1:
  6. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    Have any of you been European & World Champion?.
    He was a fantastic ice dancer. He & Barbara gave their programes everything.
    I can't believe how bitchy people are being on here.
    I bet you would not say anything to his face.
    Why do you have to read the negative into any comment?.
    Ten years ago they were at the top of ice dance for a reason.
    I loved both them & Marina & Gwendal.
    Much better than Meryl-I can't change the expression on my face no matter what I'm skating to-Davis.
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  7. nuge

    nuge Well-Known Member

    Pasha FanI wasn't bitching about them I just read the line and it made me smile :) Maurizio wasn't known for his edges /skating quality that's all :shuffle:
    As a couple they weren't one my favs but they were exciting and gave everything ' especially Babs into every programme they did.
  8. Jessica

    Jessica Well-Known Member

    So no one on this forum can be bitchy unless they agree with you? I bet you wouldn't say what you said to Meryl Davis to her face either.
  9. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    There is a difference between being bitchy & having an opinion.
    Sometimes people can be nasty.
    Plus yes I would say that to Meryl's face but her expression would not change.
    Also, when did I say that I want everyone to agree with me?.
    Don't try to make this into something it's not. I was just standing up for a ice dancer I really liked. Go look on the other threads there are hundreds doing it.
  10. Jessica

    Jessica Well-Known Member

    What you consider being "bitchy" is other people's "opinion." As far as what you said about Meryl Davis, I really don't care. It was just ironic that you whine about other people being nasty and you turn around and do the same thing.

    I think you need to get over yourself.

    I'm personally done with this subject.
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  11. chmea

    chmea Member

    :rofl: Well stand up for her/him if you wish...we don't care because the majority of people find fp/m OVERRATED & UNTALENTED. It's one thing to win because you have the politic :TT1: behind you to push and cheat, it's another to win based on REAL talent...I don't care how you find Maryl's face, but at least she is talented and didn't choke under pressure at the Olympic....:D

    since you're a pasha fan, well I shouldn't expect a lot of class, because just like her, you like to be a ... :rofl:
  12. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    You can't complain about others making bitchy comments about skaters and then do it yourself. That is just hypocritical.
  13. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    A lot of people on here are being hypocritical.
    Surely saying Margaglio was not talented IS a matter of opinion. I said I thought he was fantastic. That's MY opinion. That's the whole point of these message boards to discuss our opinions.
    If we all thought the same there would be no point to it.
    Also, slagging me off because I'm a Pasha Grishuk fan & saying bad things about her IS being as bitchy as me !.
    This could go on & on.
    Also, Aussie Willy read all the posts on this board & then tell others off for being bitchy as well. Don't single me out.
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  14. MarieM

    MarieM Grumpy Cynical Ice Dance Lover

    At least Margaglio was decent when compared to some others "bronze olympic medallists" I will not name :p
  15. nuge

    nuge Well-Known Member

    Ah yes you're right there ;):lol:
  16. MarieM

    MarieM Grumpy Cynical Ice Dance Lover

    Ice queen and king :cool::D
  17. Ozzisk8tr

    Ozzisk8tr Well-Known Member

    Oh honey, have another drink and lets talk.
  18. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

    Hey kettle... :rofl:
  19. Sparks

    Sparks Well-Known Member

    My opinion is that Margalio was an average Ice Dancer, who relied to two footed skating a lot.
  20. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

    The only program that really stood out for me of theirs was Lord of the Dance. IMHO that was a great program. But then the year 2000 was a great year overall for freedances. CB from A&P, LotD from F-P&M, SleS from D&V, 1492 from C&S, FfaF from N&K. I even liked the original FD from L&A ad was kind of bummed they reverted back to their FD from 1998?9?
  21. shine

    shine Well-Known Member

    But I'm sure he still knows a thing or two more about ice dance than the majority of posters on this board, who certainly have a hell lot to say all the time. So why does he get made fun of when he tries to voice it? It's just as bad as telling someone to shut up because they don't skate themselves. :rolleyes:
  22. nuge

    nuge Well-Known Member

  23. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    Right. It's possible to point out an elite skater's deficiencies relative to other elite skaters without making fun of them.

    Or one can just use personal prejudices about technical pet peeves or artistic choices or facial expressions or physical characteristics to make fun. Which may be fun for the poster but painful to read for anyone who supports or identifies with that skater. And it doesn't establish the poster as an expert -- quite the opposite.

    There's certainly no need to defend one skater who's been attacked by turning around and attacking a rival or someone unrelated to the discussion, just to prove that one can.

    Anyhow, while I agree with Sparks's assessment, with "average" being understood in the context of world-level ice dance competitors. As low-level adult skater, I'm sure there is much I could learn from him technically and it would be a treat to skate CD I'm capable of skating with any partner of average world-class skill.

    I don't know what Margaglio's coaching skills are like, but as we know from other discussions just being able to do something especially well doesn't necessarily translate into being able to teach it well, or vice versa.

    On the other hand, one thing I think Margaglio excelled at in his competitive career, compared to many other ice dancers at the time, was dance holds and achieving a ballroom feel to the CDs and ODs, which was more important at that time than in the new "short dance" era.
  24. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    That's all I was saying. I was not telling anyone to shut up. I was just saying that a man who has been a Champion should not get dismissed like that.
    I like hearing what past champions have to say about skating today.
    Robin Cousins is always interesting in his opinion of today's skating stars.
    Also, my comment about Meryl Davis does not mean I don't like watching her skate. I met her at the 2008 Worlds & she was lovely. I was making a point about how personal we can be.
    I guess my English humour does not work here.
    Oh well, I'm off to watch my Fawlty Towers DVD's again for comfort...........
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  25. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    I am not telling you off for being bitchy, I am pointing out that you are being hypocrite. Because you are complaining about others being bitchy and then doing it yourself.
  26. AnnieBgood

    AnnieBgood Active Member

    I really loved FP-M. They put their all into their programs.
  27. PashaFan

    PashaFan Well-Known Member

    I loved them too. I watched their 2002 Olympic free dance this morning.
    Ouch !. Poor Barbara she was so upset.
    They should have gone back to their Romeo & Juliet programe for Salt Lake City.
  28. topaz

    topaz Well-Known Member


    MM was a musically diverse ice dancer and had very good interpretation of the dances, imo.

    MM was not the best technically, however he was a very good partner to BFP and he had the privilege of skating with one of the best female ice dancers of her generation. Barbara Fusar-Poli was a fabulous ice dancer technically and musically.
  29. escaflowne9282

    escaflowne9282 Reformed Manspreader

    Oh SNAP!:rofl:
  30. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

    Barbara Fusar-Poli has got to go down as one of the best female ice dancers ever. I didn't like the team of F-P&M but I really respected her techincal ability. She sold their programs IMVHO.

    She happened to skate during the era of B&K...so therein my allegiance always fell. :rofl: