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Mao to use triple axel later this season

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by japanice, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    I am happy to hear that she is being smart in using it only when she needs it. She does not need it at NHK, and I hope she continues to improve her jump technique.
  2. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    I admire that she wants to go with the most difficult jump.
    But I think she will gain more points with working on complete the rotations of Flip and Loop.
    I don't think she needs 3Axel this season if her other jumps are complete. ;)
  3. Amy03

    Amy03 Active Member

    her loop was fully rotated at JO and COC so her flip is the only thing that she has to make sure of, I just watched her recent practice clips and her 3A looked good, and i am happy to hear that she only will include it when she feels it's ready!
  4. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    She is already working on the other jumps. It does not mean she has to completely give up what she was doing well earlier. I always admire skaters who try to push themselves to do more difficult things, instead of taking the easy way out. I just hope she has not lost the 3A while working on the other jumps.
  5. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

    I doubt she's not been working on it in the meantime. Skaters train all sorts of jumps in practice, even if they never get them up to competition standard. I don't doubt that Mao has continued training the 3A even though it hasn't yet made an appearence in her competitive programmes this season.
  6. rayhaneh

    rayhaneh Well-Known Member

    Probably, since she landed it yesterday in practice at for the NHK Trophy :D
  7. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Skaters are stronger in certain jumps and not so strong in others. For example, the 3A was easy for Petrenko, but he was inconsistent with the 3f and 3R. Kristi Y. was a very consistent jumper but always struggled with the salchow. Mao's strong jump is the 3A, and it is a high point getter, so she should include it in her programs, as long as it does not become a distraction from completing rotations on the other jumps. I believe that when she gets more comfortable/confident with her flip and salchow, she could bring back the 3A.
  8. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

    I just don't understand the point in bold - Mao has shown that she can and does rotate all of her triple jumps, it's not like she's only allowed to rotate a finite number and she's chosing some over others. Why would working on a triple axel be a distraction from completing rotations on other jumps? The mechanics of the axel are completely different to the flip, and with the salchow, most people say the mechanics of the jumps are very similar. Given that the triple axel has three and half rotations, to the flip and salchows three (or slightly less with the salchow), why would you think working on the triple axel would be anything but a help in rotating triples which have less rotation?
  9. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

    I was beginning to think she had abandoned the 3A.
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Akira Andrea has translated a new article in which Mao Asada states she hopes to add the 3A back into her programs: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...-amp-updates&p=3786615&viewfull=1#post3786615

    Last edited: Jan 6, 2013
  11. NadineWhite

    NadineWhite Well-Known Member

    I love Mao, I love her perseverance in the face of adversity, her strength, her smile, her soul, her humility.

    BUT, as a skating fan I have to be honest and say "too little, too late". I fear it won't be enough to dethrone Yuna, just as her guinness books of world records three 3axels at the last Olympics wasn't either, even though it remains as my favorite performance. To this day I can recall the total RUSH I got when she hit both in the FS. I honest to God wanted to run outside around the block a hundred times, lol. Oh, memories, beautiful cherished memories...

    Here's hoping she didn't wait too long, though I know other tragic circumstances interferred with her 4-year preparation for the next Olympics, namely the loss of her beloved mother. *tears*

    My wish for Mao is that she can somehow regain her old phenomenal technical capabilities of old, sigh, but my ULTIMATE wish is that she will let herself go, forgot the marks, forgot the judges, forget the audience, skate from the soul, transform the way Michelle did with Salome. Ultimately, skate as if she was skating before God...

    :shizuka1::sarah1::sasha1::oksana1:GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LITTLE SPARROW!!!!!!:oksana1::sasha1::sarah1::shizuka1:

    His Eye is on The Sparrow

    Why should I feel discouraged
    Why should the shadows come
    Why should my heart feel lonely
    And long for heaven and home?
    When jesus is my portion
    My constant friend
    Is he
    His eye is on the sparrow
    I know he watches me
    His eye is on the sparrow
    I know he watches me

    I sing because I’m happy
    I sing because I’m free
    His eye is on the sparrow
    I know he watches me
    His eye, his eye is on the sparrow
    I know he watches
    I know he watches
    I know he watches me

    I sing because I’m happy
    I sing because I’m free
    His eye is on the sparrow
    I know, I know, I know he watches over
    He watches over me
  12. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

    If I were her I would not worry about doing it in the short. She could really lose a lot of points if she pops it and she has popped it a number of times in her career. Go for it in the LP, or heck, go for 2 if you feel good enough. I wouldn't want to be trying to come from behind with the likes of Yu Na, Carolina, Ashley, etc.
  13. mikemba

    mikemba Active Member

    I am very happy to hear that she plans to use it. I hope it also inspires other women to start including their more difficult jumps. Although the women were my favorite discipline almost my whole life, I have found that the lack of technical content the last few years has made women's skating boring. It's not the skaters' fault - it's the numerous scoring problems with the COP that entices women skaters to leave out 3-3s and the like because they can actually score higher without them!

    So cheers to Mao for pushing up the tecnical content among the women. Now if they would just value the 3A more, to properly reflect its difficulty. Ditto triple-triples.
  14. AJ Skatefan

    AJ Skatefan Well-Known Member

    This^ Rock on, Mao!
  15. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

    I fear this will disastrous, although she may need it considering Yu-na's program.
  16. SLIVER

    SLIVER Well-Known Member

    Oh please, when was the last time she landed a fully rotated one in competition with positive goes?
  17. falling_dance

    falling_dance Coaching Patrick

    The free skate at 2010 Worlds. She was credited with the full rotation of one at 2010-2011 Japanese Nats, but received negative GOE.
  18. rayhaneh

    rayhaneh Well-Known Member

    Various fairly reliable sources on twitter have just reported that Mao Asada performed her short program at Nagoya Skating Festival today and that she included the triple axel (albeit 2-footed) ;)
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2013
  19. Akira Andrea

    Akira Andrea Well-Known Member

    This is a TV news topic in the morning of 7th January in Japan.
    Translating to English from Japanese.
    7th January 2013.

    Next, it is sports topics by announcer Sugiura.
    It is as for Mao Asada, isn’t it?
    Yes, please look this panel.
    Mao Asada won the championship in all 4 competitions, such as 'Cup of China' ,NHK Trophy, GP Final and Japan Nationals, which she participated to in this season.
    As for her, it seems that the strength came back, isn't it?
    Yes, it seems so. But, in her heart, in fact, Mao Asada has a wish which she can never abandon.
    In 2013, In 2013, she starts to challenge for achieving that wish.
    Asada: “There is no end, but I think that I must always continue to improve for aiming to be better.”
    Asada showed the remarkable activities in this season. Fascinating the audience with bright and comical performance, she won the championship in all events one by one and won the championship in GP Final after 4 years interval, too.
    Asada: “Before the season starts, I had worried what degree I would be able to do with and what degree I would be able to recover to previous level till. When I was in such thinking, the season started, but I could get better results which I was worried about. Because it seems that I have been able to make the bridgehead at last, I think that I can connect it to the future.”
    What gave her the good results was the training which she had continued to do for recovering her original performance. The improvement of skating skill and the practice of ballet, etc. which had been taken in for improving the expression ability, bore fruits.
    Asada: “I feel that I became to be able to use switching the various performances, such as the smooth skating, the powerful skating and the various look. I feel what I had corrected for 2 years became my power finally. I feel that all became a part of my ability although I detoured.
    I feel that all became a part of my ability although I made a detour.”
    While getting the skating skill and the expression ability high evaluation, Asada felt unsatisfying. It is her feeling to the triple Axel jump which may be able to say as her pronoun.
    Asada is going to start the new challenge for recovering her triple Axel which she has frozen so far in this season.
    Asada: “Although I didn't miss almost in GP Final, I felt unsatisfying somewhat because there is consciousness to be lacking something. So, my pleasure is about half, too.”
    Asada: “For getting true pleasure, I think that I need to recover the skill of the jump which I had ever been able to jump. For that, I think that I would like to confirm the skill of triple Axel jump and to improve the reliability of triple-triple combination jump. As for the season of 2013, it starts from the 4 Continents, but I would like to do my best aiming at perfect comeback.”
    I was impressed from her feeling but she seems to be not able to satisfy herself if she can’t jump the triple-Axel even if she repeats a victory, doesn't she?
    She will be thinking about it so deeply, won't she?
    We also have the feeling that we would like to see that, haven't we?
    Asada plans to participate to the 4 Continents next month and to the Worlds in March.
    That’s all, it was sports.

    "Mao Asada aims at perfect comeback."
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2013
  20. jjane45

    jjane45 Active Member

    Thank you for the translation, good luck Mao!
  21. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    She'd better start with rotating easier triples first. :EVILLE:
  22. kwanatic

    kwanatic Well-Known Member

    If she wants to add it I hope she does it just for the LP. In the past she'd mess up in the SP and would be completely out of the running going into the LP. She should play it smart and add it to the LP only.

    So much focus on the 3A...does she ever plan to include a 3-3 in her program?
  23. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Well-Known Member

    Very nasty, Ziggy! :lynch: + :lol:

    But I definitly think there is a grain of truth in it. Mao has my deep :respec: for working on the triple axel again, but I think it will only make sense, if her other jumps have vastly improved since the GP-series. If not, I can hardly imagine how she will fully rotate a triple axel and another downgraded jump certainly won't help her. Unless Mao nails that triple axel 90 % in practice, so she'd know it should work out in competition, I think it's only worth going for it, if you have a solid basis on the other jumps. Otherwise I'd say it's too risky. :shuffle:
  24. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    In all those wins she really didn't display the jumping talent that would indicate a 3a is realistic.
  25. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    That's my first instinct as well. Every time she over focuses on the 3axel she misses the easier stuff and that 3axel doesn't even materialize.
  26. martyross

    martyross Well-Known Member

    she will be more motivated to succeed this time around. she was so at the Olympics and following Worlds as she believed the jump was her biggest weapon against Yuna. apparently she is back in that mindset and Yuna's success is lighting a fire in her. I will not be surprised if she comes close to fully rotate it at Worlds, but with UR's or pops in one of the flips or others.
    this time we're also close to the Olympics.
  27. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

    I don't think she will - she has shown that she prefers 3-3s that end with 3lp. Because of IJS I don't think anyone is going to do a triple anything-3lp and get that 3Lp called fully rotated, so what's the point in trying? Both Asada and Ando have done great 3Lps on the back half of a combination and yet had them downgraded.

    I think 3something-3T is probably a bigger risk than the 3A at this point for her, so i can see why she's chosing to try the 3A in the SP. 2A with +1 GOE average is worth 3.8. 3A< with -2GOE is worth 4points, even with -3GOE is't worth 3....seems like a no brainer in terms of a gamble if she's close enough on the rotation.

    At this point 3F+2Lp is 6.6 compared to most ladies favoured 3T+3T which is 8.2 base value so she needs to make up at least the BV difference. If she lands the 3A then the 4.8 points difference more than makes up for it....though it barely closes the gap on 3Lz+3T.
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2013
  28. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    From the second interview translated by Akira Andrea:
  29. rayhaneh

    rayhaneh Well-Known Member

    Just for info Mao Asada did a 3A yesterday during her short program in exhib yesterday although it was cheated and double-footed:


    Still, if she wants to land it at some point in competition, she has to start somewhere....