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Makeup questions and recommendations

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Gazpacho, May 12, 2012.

  1. Gazpacho

    Gazpacho Well-Known Member

    So I've never been a makeup girl, but age and my job are increasingly demanding it. So I'm looking for your fine wisdom.

    1. There are all these primers out there--foundation primers, eye makeup primers, even mascara primers. I had never heard of primers until a few years ago. Do I really need them?

    2. I'm looking for a foundation that has at least SPF 15, preferably more, is oil-free, and doesn't clog pores. Light to moderate coverage. Recommendations please!!

    3. Do you need both powder and foundation, or is foundation enough? If you need powder too, then I'm also looking for a powder that doesn't clog pores. If it has SPF, then even better. The more SPF, the better.

    4. I have yet to find any eyeliner that doesn't cause circles around my eyes within a few hours. I've tried pencils, liquid, semi-liquid, you name it.

    5. I have yet to find a mascara that doesn't cause circles around my eyes within two hours.

    6. How important it is it to have good makeup brushes?

    7. What is the best way to clean your makeup brushes?

    Thank you!!
    Last edited: May 12, 2012
  2. beepbeep

    beepbeep Brazilian Eurotrash

    May I introduce you to Glamour Puss??
    We're in thread 4 already. Available for all of your beauty, make up, nails, cosmetics, parfums, etc needs.

    I'll try to anwer some of your questions :)

    1. I personally really like primers. They conceal the pores, can disguise fine lines and have your make up stay on for longer.
    Face wise, I think if your make up stays in without you needing to touch up all the time, you don't need primer (I use it mainly because my skin is really oily). They are also a good option for when you really need your make up to be perfect, like for a big event. Eye shadow primer is a must for me. Without it, almost every eye shadow will crease on the lids. With it, I can wear the cheapest stuff around and it will stay on.

    2. I'm not so good with foundation... I wear a thicker coat of MAC Studio Fix or my Guerlain foundation.

    3. Again, optional. I only wear foundation+concealer+poweder when I really need to look good. Usually is just moisturizer with spf 50 + concealer + powder. I really like Studio Fix and I used to have a Dior Powder that was awsome. Wished I remember the name... Both have SPF.

    4. I have the same problem as you. Go for gel liners. I use Smashbox's and it stays on forever.
    Lancome's Art Liner is also really really good.
    The eyeshadow primer also helps with that.

    5. Did you try waterproof?? I wear the Maybelline ones, and I have no issues to report.

    6. Good make up brushes make it much easier to obtain a good result. Powder, blush and an angle brush for eyeliner would be the essentials for me.
    A wedge sponge is also very useful for foundation.

    7. I wash mine with baby shampoo and warm water until the water comes out clean. Always wash your brushes before you use them for the first time.

    Hope it helps a bit.
    I'm pretty sure the other Glamour Pusses will give you plenty more information. :D
  3. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

    This is a cool website site with video tutorials you can watch on your computer. I like there make-up as well. I use the tinted moisturizer and powder every day. The sunscreen in them is fabulous. The only thing I don't like is their mascara. I use either Lancome or one from Shoppers Drug Mart called Lash Out.

  4. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

    1. Honestly, I rarely use primers, except if I need my make-up to last a really long time. I mostly just use the eyeshadow one because eye shadow tends to rub off my skin.

    2. I'm a big fan of L'Oreal's True Match Super Blendable foundation. I've been using it for YEARS. It's easily available in most drug stores; comes in many shades and has SPF 17. I apply it with wedge sponges.

    3. I personally use both, because I like the finish with powder. I prefer pressed powder, but some people like loose. I've used Clinique's Stay Matte for a long time; though this does not have SPF. Clinique also has an "Almost Powder" which is a very light finish (which sounds like something you might like) and does have SPF 15. I've also used Shiseido Sun Protection Compact Foundation, which as SPF 34, and it was absolutely fantastic.

    4. I've had a lot of the same problem, since I have oily skin. Personally, I prefer pencil liners. Makeup Forever's Aqua Eyes eyeliner has been one of the best I've tried. Tokidoki Perfetto Eyeliner, which was recommended to me by mlp, has also been pretty good.

    I can't answer 5 & 6, but a makeup artist once told me that in lieu of the fancy brush cleaners, she just uses baby shampoo to clean hers.

    One thing that you could consider is going to a makeup counter or Sephora and having one of the employees there do your makeup, so she or he can suggest what products might be good for your skin type and coloring, and you can also see what you like on you.

    I hope this helps! Do check out the Glamour Puss thread; there is excellent advice there. :)
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  5. AndyWarhol

    AndyWarhol Well-Known Member

    I pretty much use M.A.C for everything...
  6. Holley Calmes

    Holley Calmes Well-Known Member

    I have been a makeup junkie all my life, and I've gone from snob to drug-store choices and I'm just as happy with the less expensive. I used to never touch anything that wasn't Lauder or one of the upper end store brands. Now I've discovered L'Oriel and Revlon, and I swear they are just as good.

    But regardless of what you use, if you don't start out with good skin as a foundation, it's going to be less effective. A really good skin care regimen is essential. I know this sounds crazy, but I absolutely recommend taking a razor and shaving your face in downward motions. This is nothing but a simple and very effective exfoliant. I've been doing it for 30 years, and believe me, it does NOT promote facial hair growth!! Different products work for different people. I do use three products that are not cheap but two of them are not super expensive-Clarin's One Step Exfoliator and also their Beauty Flash Balm under my makeup. I confess to using La Mer at night.

    There is also an incredible product by Zia called "Instant face Lift." If you can find it-get it. It is a mask that promotes blood flow, and it takes off about 5-10 years and lasts 24 hours.

    As for makeup-I have found Revlon to be good for my skin. They have just repackaged what I use, and it's a shame because the foundation came with it's own brush built in. I had three different shades (it was very inexpensive) and could put pale highlights under the eyes and on cheekbones, darker tones under the neck and cheek hollows, and on either side of my nose. Then a medium shade everywhere else-blended in with a foam cube.

    I have also found cheap ole Rimmel mascara works best for me.

    But yes, brushes are essential. I just wash with soap and water. I've also found that eyeliner doesn't smudge if you find a cake powder liner and use a very small paintbrush. Just wet the brush, rub it in the shadow, and create your own liquid eyeliner. The brush gives you more control over what you are doing. And it doesn't smudge!

    Gosh-I didn't mean to write so much! But I do love my makeup.
  7. FiveRinger

    FiveRinger Well-Known Member

    I am not a makeup expert to say the least. However, I have had the same problem with the racoon eyes and there have only been two eyeliners that have worked for me. Oleada is right....Makeup Forever Aqua Eyes is fabulous. I remember someone telling me it's what the synchronized swimmers use, and I believe it. It stays put until you take it off. The other eyeliner that I use that works is Urban Decay. Not a surprise, there. I have never tried their eye primer, but I hear that it's one of the best, so it's one of the things I plan to add to my teeny tiny collection. Again, it doesn't move. I haven't looked at Makeup Forever lately, but I know that Urban Decay has a great color selection, which would be my only reason for leaning to it.
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  8. my little pony

    my little pony war crawling into canada

    1. It depends on your skin, the consistency of your foundation and moisturizer. If you are having eye makeup issues, you might want to consider the eye primer.

    2. I'm looking for a foundation that has at least SPF 15, preferably more, is oil-free, and doesn't clog pores. for foundation w sunscreen i like clinique's even better. I also like tinted moisturizer, esp at this time of year. The neutrogena skin glow sheer hsa spf 30.

    3. you dont have to have powder, i personally can stand it and never wear it

    4. tokidoki perfetto

    5. mally, the orig volumizing not waterproof

    6. depending on what you choose to wear, you might not need that many

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  9. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

    I've seen that powder can make fine lines and wrinkles stand out, so if your skin has them, it may be best to avoid the powder.
  10. cruisin

    cruisin Banned Member

    Nars or Lancome for anything and everything :) Nars has the best primer that I have ever tried.
    Last edited: May 13, 2012
  11. nypanda

    nypanda Well-Known Member

    Mary Kay girl here -- I've used it since I was 21 which was...a long time ago. I'm a big fan of both the Lash Love and Ultimate mascaras -- while not water proof, they are water resistant, and will flake off in moisture instead of run. Also a fan of foundation primer -- just know that a little goes a LONG way, and when you use it, you shouldn't, then, need to use powder.

    Almost everything MK has now has an SPF of 25 or higher. I use a combination of Day Solution SPF 35, tinted moisturizer with SPF, primer (with SPF) and then mineral powder foundation instead of liquid. Could be overkill of SPF, but I don't think it hurts.

    I recently had a facial at a fancy spa, and the technician was amazed at my skin. :)
  12. Quintuple

    Quintuple papillon d'amour

    2. BB cream. Hullo. As my friend said to me a month after I kept sending crazy BB cream emails, "OK, I am now on the BB Band Wagon. I look like a beautiful porcelain doll and I'm going to cry."

    Basically, you end up looking like you're not wearing any make-up, but you were just BORN PERFECT. And remained that way through adulthood.

    Problem with them, though, is that the new American brands just seem like random liquid/creme foundation to me. I don't see how the formulation is different. But depending on what your shade is, it might be hard to find the right one. American brands tend to be very pink, whereas Korean brands are usually way too pale (gray, if you will) - even the "tan" colors I find to be too "peanutty".

    However, if you find one you like, it's like a friggin' one step make-up miracle. Covers your pores, moisturizes, eliminates redness, evens color, hella strong SPF, not heavy at all, non-clogging, etc. There are more matte/powdery ones, ones that shimmer (with crushed pearls!), and ones that make you look dewey. Hell, there are ones with BLACK CAVIAR and GOLD in them (which of course make me a little suspicious). Not to mention the ones with snail mucus and bird shit (I'm serious).

    Personally, I don't like any American Sephora/department store brands except Clinique (color-wise), and maaaybe Too Faced. Of the Korean brands, Dr. Young is super lightweight, doesn't make you feel gross after a whole day of wear, makes you look like you just have perfect natural skin. Of the cheaper, more popular ones, I like Skin79 over Missha.

    Mmm hmm, loves me some BB cream.
  13. puglover

    puglover Well-Known Member

    I have from time to time been interested in the "Don't Go to the Cosmetic Counter Without Me" books by Paula B-something. She is now on her 8th edition and she also has a website called "beautypedia". We are constantly bombarded with weird sounding names of ingredients that supposedly enhance the product so much and therefore justify the outrageous price. She does comparisons from brand to brand and certainly clears up any false advertising or inflated claims. So often there are way cheaper alternatives that are as good or better, according to her research. I am also really into the free gifts with purchase promotions that cosmetic counters offer. I buy the cheapest thing I can to reach the minimum requirement and get to try products I would not try otherwise. I have found some great lipstick colours that way.
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  14. Scintillation

    Scintillation New Member

    I'm also putting in a good word for MAC's Studio Fix foundation. Only liquid foundation that doesn't clog my pores and does a good job of keeping my oil under control. Their new prep&prime pencil/brush thingie is also great, really helps with dark circles.
    I still need to find eye makeup that doesn't melt off after a few hours though.
  15. Veronika

    Veronika gold dust woman

    I like foundation primers, and I can't live without eyeshadow primer--my shadow used to crease every day (after about 4-6 hours) and now I almost never have creasing. I use Urban Decay primer potion and ELF mineral eye primer.

    I like L'Oreal true match foundations too...but I also try to wear something with SPF under my foundation.

    If you are oily like me, you need powder too. Powder sets the whole look too, so I think it's needed.

    I use liquid liner and eye primer, so I never have circles from my liner any more...I used to (every day) before I used primer and liquid liner.

    Even though I'm oily, I have dry eyes so I don't have issues with mascara smudges. I'm told that waterproof is better for that...

    I don't think high-end brushes are that worth it. Most of my brushes are from the ELF Studio line, and I love them. They are cheap and they LAST! http://www.eyeslipsface.com/studio/...udio+brushes&utm_campaign=brushes+elf&wm_sd=1

    I use baby shampoo to wash my brushes, and it does work. Plus, it's a budget option. :)
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  16. Veronika

    Veronika gold dust woman

    I have the Garnier BB cream and I like it--but they only have 2 shades and the light/medium is very dark for my skintone. (I wear the lightest foundation shade in any line, and sometimes that is too dark for my skin. I'm "light ivory" aka "almost albino.") I would pretty much rave about the Garnier BB cream if it came in a lighter shade.
  17. my little pony

    my little pony war crawling into canada

    i dont see how any of the US BB creams are different from tinted moisturizer

    also, i'm very oily but i still think powder sets in lines i didnt even know i had and makes me look old and crepey
    Last edited: May 13, 2012
  18. Quintuple

    Quintuple papillon d'amour

    Ooh gurl, I finally found my candidate to give my crazy vampire tubes of BB cream to. I'm Asian, so any American brands are too pink for me. I don't consider myself tan, yet the default Korean color is too gray for me. I actually have to go all Iman jungle darkness when it comes to BB cream, which is weird.

    There's this "almost albino" Swedish gal I know, so I'm giving her the craziest one I have: Skin79 THE ORIENTAL BOLD BB CREAM PLUS (super turbo mega). I call the tone "beyond geisha". It's insane. Same goes for the purple bottle version of the same thing (no gold in it!).

    Try it!
  19. Quintuple

    Quintuple papillon d'amour

    I concur, thus the Korean brands. America, like always, is like 10 years behind.
  20. barbk

    barbk Well-Known Member

    Are any of them meant for fair skin (not palest, but 2-3 on a 10 scale of pale) with rosy undertones?

    I find that most foundation ends up showing some dry patches after five or six hours even when I've moisturized the heck out of my skin first. I've done better with the Bare Ecentuals minerals powder than I've done with the liquids I've tried. I've definitely got the T-zone thing going on.
  21. shutterbug

    shutterbug Well-Known Member

    I had exactly the same problem. Drove me crazy until I found this: Estee Lauder Double Wear Mascara DoesnÂ’t smudge at all, even when I rub my eyes, but still washes off with soap & water. I use the EL Lash Primer as well.
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  22. Andora

    Andora Skating season ends as baseball season begins

    I've heard pretty much the same thing about all the new American BB creams that have suddenly shown up on the market. Musings Of A Muse discusses it in better detail. I'll stick with Tinted Moisturizer until things change fully.

    As for powder, Clinique's Super Balanced is the only stuff that doesn't settle and manages to last all day. Otherwise, I can only use a SUPER thin/light setting powder over foundation on certain areas like my nose and chin. I surprisingly found Maybelline's translucent mineral powder is perfect for this, with a brush that dusts it as opposed to pressing it in.

    Colour me on board with this line of late. A friend sells it and has sold me into it. The cream eyeshadows are fantastic with colours I've been seeking for AGES. It's crease-proof and I forget I have it on. The Ultimate mascara is perfect for day to day wear, and I just put it through two baseball games. I've generally had to stick to waterproof when I play, but I find pretty much all waterproof formulas are chalky and too prone to clumping.

    I'm excited to get into the tinted moisturizers and get my own under eye concealer. I used my friend's, and I loved it. In the meantime, I've used Maybelline's Magic Eraser concealer in a pretty highlight/pinkish colour that was suggested as a good Touche Eclat dupe. Pretty much if I'm going to go drugstore brand, it's Maybelline first. I'm just finding myself generally happy with their products lately.
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  23. my little pony

    my little pony war crawling into canada

    what korean brands of bb creme do you like? my korean market sells beauty products but i havent looked for bb creme there.
  24. Quintuple

    Quintuple papillon d'amour

    There's a million brands, but my favorite is Dr. Young. On the more expensive side!

    Amongst the best of the not-so-expensive ones are Skin79 (specifically - the Hot Pink one is more moisturizing, the Gold Plus is more matte; doesn't make you look cakey, doesn't feel gross at the end of the day), Missha (definitely a more "make-up" feel and look, and a little perfumy, but most everyone swears by it), and then there's Etude House and Hanskin (haven't tried them yet).

    Missha Perfect Cover (red) has the most shades - from crazy albino (13), to just normal pale person (21), to the default beige look (23), getting up to my level of tan (27), and then really tan (31).

    In spirit, all of them are supposed to oxidize and blend to your actual color, but I would definitely say the "one shade" Korean ones are very pale.

    I think the best shade for both Asian and white people of medium complexion is Clinique 02.

    If you get "shimmery", that means that you'll literally have crushed pearls on your face. And gold means that there's apparently gold in it.

    A trick: I'm told the "men's" BB cream is actually just more tan and sweatproof. So if that's for you, go for it! I should try some.

    The best at Sephora is Dr. Jart (you look frighteningly perfect), but I felt a little clogged at the end of the day. They have Clinique too. I don't like all the others there.

    I say this: Go to the Korean market, start at the beauty counter, let the eager lady run a bunch of swatches on your face with each of her fingers, like warpaint, walk around and get some muscat gummies and stare at the many varieties of Pocky and all the crazy models on the Palty boxes, then come back and see all the color "settled", and decide!
  25. Gazpacho

    Gazpacho Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much, everyone! I'm totally not a makeup girl and had been blessed with skin that makes most people envious. But I'm starting to face the facts of age, and my skin isn't what it was 10 years ago :mad: My job also expects that I wear some makeup.

    Two more questions:

    First, Sally Hansen used to make a product called Invisible Lip Liner. It went on clear, and it would prevent your lipstick from going any further than the edges of your lip. I can't find it in stores anymore and think it was probably discontinued. Is there another product like this?

    Second, I sweat a lot, and in the summer I'll sweat even more. Are any foundations particularly bad for sweaty people?

    And I'll contribute this website in case people aren't aware: current cosmetics gift-with-purchase offers

    Which one is that on the Smashbox page?

    What are BB creams? I never heard of them before. And I assume tinted moisturizers are what they sound like, but how do they differ from foundations?

    I went to the drugstore today, and I don't know how to choose the right color because you can't test them. How it looks in the bottle isn't always how it looks on your skin. Is there a way to get some mini-samples to find your right color?

    :scream: you don't cut yourself? What kind of razor do you use, and what kind of shaving cream?

    How do I buy Mary Kay products? I don't know any Mary Kay sales reps.
  26. beepbeep

    beepbeep Brazilian Eurotrash

    Jet Set, Midnight black
  27. Anita18

    Anita18 Well-Known Member

    BB creams are apparently "beauty balms." I hadn't heard of them until my last foray onto the Sephora website, so can't help you there. :lol:

    Tinted moisturizers are less pigmented than foundations, and give lighter coverage. It's probably a good idea for you, since you aren't used to seeing yourself with makeup on. I usually only wear concealer on my red spots, and when I go all the way with foundation, I think I look like a mannequin. :lol: Some people even make them by mixing their favorite facial moisturizer with powder foundation.

    IIRC, many drugstores will take makeup returns if it's the wrong color, even if you've opened it. Not many stores have samples of them. I think it's cause they're so cheap already, why bother? :p If you go to Sephora and ask for a sample, they'll happily give you one. But yeah, Sephora has the higher-end stuff. Not sure if Ulta does the same. Ulta carries drugstore brands as well as some of the brands Sephora carries.
  28. vesperholly

    vesperholly Well-Known Member

    Yes, Rite Aid, CVS, Walgreens and Walmart will all take back used cosmetics with a receipt. Ulta and Sephora will take back items with or without a receipt, but Ulta is more begrudging than Sephora if you don't have a receipt.

    HOWEVER, Target does not take back used cosmetics, so buy your Sonia Kashuk and Boots No. 7 wisely.
  29. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    Try this:

    If you decide to contact a consultant there's a portal for that, too.
    I've been happily using Mary Kay products for over thirty years.
  30. topaz

    topaz Well-Known Member

    What are you looking to spend? A good drugstore brand is Revlon colorstay or Rimmel. Mid to higher end brands I would recommend Bobbi Brown, Makeup Forever, Nars, Lancome and Estee Lauder. You can try M.A.C. but in my opinion for the price of MAC you can spend a little more and get an Estee Lauder foundation. Estee Lauder is the owner and makes MAC products. But they do it better under the tag Estee Lauder. Nars foundations are some of the best on the market.

    I would go get some samples first before buying the product of the mid to higher end brands. The sample will last you 3 to 5 days and you'll get to see how the products for you, outside of the store. Sephora is a great store that offers a lot of brands and they give a good size samples too.

    Non clogging pores products in my opinion are false advertisement. I'll tell you why. People think oil free you won't break out and that these products are for those with oily skin. True be told all skin needs some amount of moisture and natural oils provide a good way to moisturize. Also, any product and break anyone out. A product that may break me out may not do the same with you. Oil free products can clog pores too. The keep to non clogging pores is wash all the makeup off and exfoliate.

    I would recommend a powder foundation over a liquid if you have oily skin.


    Urban Decay 24/7 or Makeup Forever Aqua Eye liners are THE BEST. Pencil form of these are great. Mascara is tricky. Waterproof or water resistant mascaras may help you but they are freaky pain to get out and they can damage lashes over time with prolonged use. You may want to try a lash primer(mascara base) or do not put mascara on the lower lashes. I just use a good gel or pencil liner on the water and lash line. Use waterproof or water resistant liners though.

    I say good brushes are a must. You only need a few good brushes. Try Sigma brushes. They are very economical as are Ecotools and Sonia Kashuk. M.A.C brushes are excellent and bit more expensive. Different brushes from different brands.

    If you want can give you some actual brushes I would suggest for eyes and face.

    I clean my brushes with Dawn dishwashing soap and a little olive oil(if they are natural bristles brushes). It's better than the brush cleaners and less expensive. This is the best video I"ve found on how to clean brushes. The video's author, Michelle Phan is a fantastic makeup artist.