Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Bostonfan, Feb 3, 2012.
They're all over the place. You need to get out of the sticks more often!
The people of Hudson County disrespectfully disagree.
This is a very good characterization of the different regions and what they're called. It's funny how complex NY can be and all of the about "upstate" vs. "downstate". I always preface my NY roots with "upstate" to avoid confusing the poor souls who ponder where in NYC I grew up that there were more cows than people.
I did my undergraduate degree in the Finger Lakes area and I think Rochester gets lumped-in to that because it's really the closest "major" city; so a lot of Finger Lakes people travel to and from Rochester and the greater Rochester area.
Sticks - there is another one. Out in the middle of nowhere.
In the NW it's usually the "boonies", or we used to say the "toolies", although we had a discussion in my office about that once, and I'm not sure anyone else had ever used it.
This of course led to my trying to figure it out. Apparently it comes from The word Tules which is bulrush from the Lake Tulare area in California. So, lost in the weeds or out in the middle of nowhere.
I used to hear the "sticks" but now more often it's the "boonies" (i.e. boondocks, which I don't hear much anymore). I've also heard toolies/tulies used.
Someone today told me that the "break down lane" is not universally used in the U.S. I use that verbiage all the time when referencing the "shoulder" on a highway (which we don't call it here in Mass).
I once said to a co-worker of mine (who lives in the South) over the phone, "Don't get your knickers in a twist" and she laughed and said that was a"high falutin Yankee expression". Not sure what the equivalent expression is elsewhere.
Re: Carvel ice cream. I have a tank top (or singlet as it's called down here) from Carvel with a big ice cream cone on the front, and on the back it says "Ask me for a lick". I was most popular when I wore this to Mardi-Gras in Sydney. Actually, a friend of mine named Alison Jiear, who was in the original "Jerry Springer The Opera" musical always wanted to wear it. Here is a link to her singing "I just wanna dance" from the show. I know Fergus, Michael, Ziggy and certain other FSU'sers will go crazy for this if they haven't heard it already. I know there will be some users who think I (and Alison) should burn in hell for this, but f**k 'em. The show was a little average for me but Alli gave such an emotional performance (as seen in this clip)
I thought I should post it. Look on youtube for all the different recordings of her, including her doing it at Mardi Gras in Sydney with Tina Arena (MarieM I know you will know who Tina is). I met Alison when she was 18 and living next door to me in Sydney when I was doing the Original Australian production of La Cage Aux Folles. She was this big girl with an even bigger voice, and the most gorgeous personality. All she wanted to do was be successful. Alison was nominated for an Olivier Award for Jerry Springer and has since gone on to sing on projects like Danny Elfman's Corpse Bride among other things. I remember her as the fat clumsy girl, but she was such a funny funny girl. British people would know her from a famous Aussie group called "The Fabulous Singlettes" who had their own television show on Channel 4 over in the UK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLdktUk_HoY I'm sure the British had no idea what a "singlette" was. Sorry, I digressed. Sorry again.
Edited to add (the following morning) Oh my, free mini bar is not good, especially before I posted this... so very sorry all.
Undies in a bunch...
Don't know if it's a localism or not, but we use Outer Mongolia.
There uses to be lots of them around here. But, it seems that almost all ice cream stores around here don't last. Coldstone closed, Maggie Moos closed, Rita's closed. They sell Carvel cakes in the grocery store, but they're not the same. And FYI, we're not the sticks!
I respectfully stand corrected!
Not just within the bounds of Hudson County, either. My godmother (who was born and raised in Newark) most definitely had a very strong "Joisey" accent. Though I never understood why my mother, who lived in the same neighborhood until she went to college, didn't have a trace of it. It was quite puzzling to me.
Joining this thread late...
I'll be 40 in 2 months and have lived and traveled all over the midwest US. This thread is the first time I've ever heard a drinking fountain called a "bubbler".
Also odd, I'd only ever heard non-US people call it a "washroom" until I started working my current job (I'm in Chicago). Almost everyone here does. Weird. And by here, I mean the building I'm in.
panties in a wad
"Bubbler" is one of those words that I've known existed since I was an early teen, but I never heard anyone actually say until a couple of years ago. I nearly peed my pants with excitement the first time I heard someone (a Bostonian) say he was going to the "bubblah" for a drink.
I remember taking a Dutch colleague to Boston and having him ask me what language the people in the train station were speaking. He refused to believe it was English. We were in business meetings, and he literally could not understand what people were saying.
The other one I couldn't believe was the "needs [verb]" without "to be" in between. Had heard it existed for years but never observed in real speech. Then one day, I heard someone who grew up in Western PA say, "the door needs fixed," and I was that it does, in fact, exist.
The Joisey accent is like the south western NJ Philly accent. It's not really NJ, it's NY Burroughs. My grandmother grew up in Jersey City, she had the "Joisey" accent. But, my parents (from Bergen County) did not. I rarely hear that accent. When I do, it's usually an older person or someone from NY.
my husband is from western PA. This morning he said to me "my underwear needs washed". The man is a lawyer, he is articulate, and he's lived in NJ for 40 years, but . Not only is there no "to be", the word wash is past tense. I said this up thread, he also says "they come over last night" instead of came over. His mother used to call bologna "jumbo". I had no idea what she wanted. I teased her for it. The next week she sent me a tear out from the newspaper, advertising jumbo on sale
Yes, even the Wikipedia entry on bologna allows that:
ETA: Apparently you can lay the blame for the "needs + past participle construction" on the language of the early Scots-Irish settlers of the region around Pittsburgh. At least you can if the wiki on "Pittsburgh English" is accurate.
New Yorkers have trouble understanding Bostonians, too. There's a conductor on Metro-North who is obviously a transplant. It's hysterical to hear him announce, "Passengers for Woodlawn must be in the first four cahs", because people start saying, "What? The first four what?"
On Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia where I now live cottages, etc are called bungaloos.
Dinner is lunch
I had that happen to me in Northern Ireland once. We were having dinner at a little place in Larne. I knew that the people at the next table were speaking English, but I couldn't understand more than a word here or there.
Also, in Scotland & Ireland, I was asked more than once if I was from Australia - and I'm from Seattle - home to those who have possibly the nearest to "dictionary" pronounciation in the US.
Thanks for those! The second one especially. ALl of the pronunciation is spot on, I could hear my husband and his family. Can't tease them for the unusual pronunciation or grammar, they get ! I can tease my husband though. My favorite is when he asks me to make him some aegs. Eggs, but pronounced with a long A instead of a short e. He gets ribbed for that from all of us!
Bungaloos or bungalos. We have small cottages here that are refered to as bungalos. Usually bungalos are the little cottages that are part of older resorts in the Poconos or the Catskills. but we have them around here too. This area used to be a vacation area - fresh air - for NYC dwellers, back in the '40s.
I say "aigs" (or "aygs") when I'm talking about what hens lay -- however, when it is the verb "egg", I pronounce it with the short e.
I've always seen it as "bungalow" although I think that might be a derivation from "bungalo." Here in the midwest it's most often used to refer to a small one-story (or 1-1/2 story) house in a residential area -- not necessarily as part of a resort of any kind. I guess what is considered a bungalow varies a bit, depending on the geographic region.
Really? I've never heard that before. I'm not even sure what dictionary pronunciation is .
Perhaps by "dictionary pronunciation" in the U.S. znachki means what is called "General American" or "Standard American English" accent? That is, a pronunciation that is distinguished from more regional accents (i.e. Southern, New England, etc.)? Think "generic network news broadcaster" accent.
My cousin in Manchester has a family cottage in Wales that they call "the bung."
Born and raised in South Eastern Michigan and never heard of "bubbler". We drink from the water or drinking fountain. We also drink "pop", wear "tennis shoes", and play in the "basement". Also, it seems that everyone I have ever known goes "up north" to their "cabin" many times during the year. "Up north" is really anywhere more northern than where you (Michigander) live. Last summer I held a garage sale. A family came and told me they were up north for just a few weeks at their cabin. I live thirty miles north of Detroit, yet this was up north to this family who lived on the Ohio/Michigan border. Their "cabin" was a two story house a mile or so away from my house. Never considered my suburban neighborhood up north! "Cabins" can be any architectural style and can be huge or tiny.
The General American accent is most closely related to a generalized Midwestern accent and is spoken particularly by many newscasters
Last time I checked, Seattle was not in the Midwest.
Of all the American accents, the Midwestern accent is the easiest on the ear, which is why newscasters and actors use it.
But pronunciation is a little different from accent.
Isn't that a slang word for anus? Yikes!
Funny, my husband and I were on vacation several years ago. We met this other couple who guessed my husband's from western PA, right off the bat. Then they asked me what part of the mid-west I was from. I said mid-north-western NJ. They didn't believe me. Even when I showed them my DL, they siad I might live here now, but I didn't grow up there. I actually had my birth certificate with me, so I proved it. The guy was flabbergasted, apparently he considers himself an accent expert. I guess not.
No, it isn't but from the same wiki entry:
Seattle is in the Pacific Northwest, at least it was the last time I was there.
And it seems that I grew up in "the area of the United States where the local accent is most similar to General American" (the Illinois part of the Quad Cities). People used to tell me that I should be a radio broadcaster because of my voice, but whenever I hear a recording of it, I think I don't sound "General American" enough -- a bit too flat, or something.
I suppose it is, but given the context of znachki's post, I thought that accent was most likely what was being observed.