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Kevin Reynolds: "Plan B" Worked

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by overedge, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. overedge

    overedge Janny uber

    Because he managed to recover from all those mistakes :rolleyes: Wouldn't it have been easier not to make the mistakes in the first place?


    And by 2014 he's going to be right up there in component marks with the best skaters in the world. And "if they didn't downgrade that quad Salchow it would have been worth another six points?" Maybe if he'd done it better it wouldn't have been downgraded :rolleyes: Comments like that are not being realistic in helping him identify what he needs to improve.

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  2. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

    Good on Kevin. Great job, skate and come back. Better things to come his way soon.
  3. Skateushka

    Skateushka Active Member

  4. sequins

    sequins Active Member

    He needs a coaching change. I'm sorry she may be a nice woman and her students seem incredibly loyal but it's time. He's made good improvements but he needs more a whole new fresh approach and a different perspective if he's ever gonna have a chance to be near the top.
  5. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    that picture of Kevin :eek:
    For a moment he looked armless
  6. sequins

    sequins Active Member

    :lol: It's a bit frightening isn't it?
  7. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

    3rd quad? More ambitious than Chan? Didn't he under rotate the first quad and double the second quad, therefore making it a one quad program?

    Kevin seems like a nice guy, but I agree, he's not going any further without a coaching change. He is not the only senior man in the top ten in Canada who needs one either. These guys need to take a realistic look at what is out there - outside Canada - and then make the leap if they want a chance. Balde has made that leap and I expect he will be a force next year. Kevin, Jeremy, and Liam all need to step it up if they want to be in the mix for 2014.

    Slightly OT, but it drives me nuts the way some reporters are so extreme. Chan is either a god or they totally undervalue what he does - take your pick.
  8. Marilou

    Marilou Well-Known Member

    I saw him in the mall a couple of months back and it was all I could do to keep myself from going up to him and telling him he needed to change coaches :)
  9. A judge

    A judge Member

    He has been told as well as the others but they will not listen. I guess it is awkward. Probably Ten is the closest one to leaving.
  10. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

    Does anyone else have a different definition of "Plan B" when you read the title of this thread? I just can't help thinking perhaps it should be in PI. :D
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  11. jl22aries

    jl22aries Active Member

    You're not the only one.
  12. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    My opinion of Kevin is that he has some natural talent but believes that he is, right now, the best skater in the world and that clearly all the judges are wrong and are not recognizing how Totally Awesome he is.

    Every interview I have every read supports this opinion. It's just one excuse after another and a lot of blaming the judges for daring to downgrade him or deducting points for an obvious mistake. How rude of them.
  13. apatinar

    apatinar Active Member

    I think the plan C,D E and F should be for Kevin to put on some muscle weight, forget one of those quads, work on the triple axel, work on getting more power in his skating, and stop looking like a pixie on ice.
  14. nadioso

    nadioso Active Member

    The fact is that Mcleod is the one saying these things, not Kevin. The articles clearly shows that Mcleod is doing the gloating while Kevin admits there are things to improve. I wished that Kevin sees that he won't get to the top under Mcleod. If she refuses to see the problems, she can't fix them.

    Mcleod has consistently whined about UR calls and low PCS marks with her skaters.

    Having Shae choreograph his programs is the only reason he has advanced at all. I also think he has at least listened to Shae's banter.

    Ten is not as connected to Mcleod as the other students. He often uses Kraatz, Wing and Lowe for help. They help his skating skills, unfortunately it does not help his jumps. He needs a jump specialist.

    Ten has been less hyped up by the Mcleod machine than a complete failure like Kathryn Kang who bombed every international assignment she ever had.
  15. JasperBoy

    JasperBoy Aging in a great place

    And that's why I am so hopeful that Elladj will be Canada's third man in London.

    When I saw his new coaching team in Moncton I was overjoyed. I knew he was willing to do whatever is necessary to improve. And he was thisclose to the podium.

    But this thread is about Kevin. Sorry I used it to praise my personal favourite
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2012
  16. overedge

    overedge Janny uber

    Sorry, I did not think of that when I took the thread title from the text of the story.
    Since Kevin was concentrating on the competition and on skating while in France, I suspect he didn't get involved in anything to do with the *other* Plan B :lol:
  17. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    She doesn't seem very nice from what very little info we get, to be honest. :p

    What really bothers me is the total delusion you can sometimes see coming out from her or her students' mouths (like in the linked interview).

    It's good to believe in yourself but it's also good to be self-aware.

    The "it's the judges'/bad ice's/Mercury's casting bad field over the moon fault" attitude is not particularly constructive.
  18. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

    This may be a strange question, but is there anyway a coach can hold onto a student who wants to leave? Kevin seems relatively intelligent, I think his family is quite supportive, so why does he stay? Surely he must realize that a change is needed. It is all so frustrating because I think he is talented and hardworking. He should be getting better results. What a waste!
  19. clarie

    clarie Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see what Brian Orser could do with him. It's time for him to move on if he wants to get into the last flights.
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  20. sequins

    sequins Active Member

    To be honest she doesn't seem particularly 'nice' to me either from what I've seen but I don't want to judge, I don't know her. But I do not for the life of me get what all these students see in her that they spend their whole career under her guidance. Sandhu, Leung, now Reynolds and Ten, who I'm so relieved to hear might actually leave. IMO he is so talented, he needs to be seen & he has so much to offer. Under this coach he will remain virtually invisible and forgotten. I mean skaters change coaches all the timw I just don't get it? So if anyone has any insite into this 'hold' she has over them I'd be interested to know. Maybe she does have them so delusional they just think it's all the judges and everyone elses fault.

    Oh and I agree about Brian Orser.
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2012
  21. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

    All but Sandhu are from the Vancouver area. Skating is an extremely expensive sport. It's easy to tell skaters to move and switch coaches, but sometimes there are personal factors that fans are not privy to.

    Granted, they could switch to other folks in the Vancouver area. But in terms of singles, McLeod is easily the biggest "name."
  22. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

    Both Connaught and Coquitlam have great programs. Keegan Murphy at Connaught coaches the reigning Jr. Men's champion Mitchell Gordon, and there are a number of senior men in Coquitlam including, I think, Bela Papp. Liam Firus trains with Lorna Bauer at the Vancouver Skating Club, but I don't think there are many, if any, other competitive skaters there. Anyway, there are options in the Vancouver area. But these are adults who need to decide if they really want a shot at the big time. If they do, they may need to take on the inconvenience of a move. Heck, Ashely Wagner moved all the way across the US for a coaching change - seemed to work for her!
  23. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

    :lol: Me 2.
  24. euterpe

    euterpe Well-Known Member

    Kevin did do two quads in his FS: 4S to start (and it was not UR), and later in the program he did a 4T+2T. But he doubled his solo 4T attempt, URd his one 3A (he doubled the axel in the combo) and URd the 3T in his 3S combo.

    He URd the 4S in the SP, but completely rotated the 3A.

    His main technical problem seems to be URs. If his coach is in denial about the URs, then he definitely needs a coaching change.

    At least he got a haircut!
  25. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    To be honest I think he has already maximized his potential. He has an impressive ability to spin quickly which allows him to do some hard jumps, but even his jumps are small and with not very good technique. He will never be a great artist or basic skater no matter how much work he does, or who he is coached by. He isnt a great natural talent, except for his quick spin ability in the air.
  26. JasperBoy

    JasperBoy Aging in a great place

    I think it is essential that Kevin continue to have Shae Lynn do his choreography. She has tapped into his musicality and temperament, and can give him routines that he can express and enjoy.
    Moving to Brian O will put him in with David Wilson. Much as I admire DW, I don't think he is the right choreographer for Kevin. And to be honest, Brian's skaters didn't do as well as I expected this year.
  27. apatinar

    apatinar Active Member

    agreed.. that Tim Goebel , narrow hipped body type is just not cutting it anymore with this new system.. Let's face it- some natural body types are just not suited for the higher levels of skating to make it look aesthetically pleasing.. i.e. Rachel Flatt..
  28. aemeraldrainc

    aemeraldrainc Active Member

    Per his FB, Kevin will be going to the World Team Trophy in Tokyo.
    Looking forward to it!

    As far as the coach situation, I don't know how feasible, financial wise, it would be but it would be interesting to see him go to Brian Orser. I'd like to see how much he could improve with that coaching team. (I know Javi considers Tracy Wilson, DW,etc. part of his coaching team so I figure it would be the same for all of Orser's students.)

    How far away is Toronto from Vancouver?

    Now, on the matter of actually convincing him to leave McLeod.....Frustrating!
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  29. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

    Amazing that Canada has three spots for Worlds next year when their second best skater finishes 12th at Worlds. :eek:
  30. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    His main technical problem is his jumping technique being :yikes:.

    <s are just a symptom of it.

    Whilst it's unrealistic to expect him to have Plushenko-quality jumps, it is realistic to expect some improvement on his technique.

    Has there been any over the last few years? I haven't noticed.

    It's how the system has worked for years now.

    1+12 = 13, there's nothing amazing about it. :p