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Junior World Competitor one year, Olympian the next?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by B.Cooper, Mar 2, 2013.

  1. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    Yes. She went to Jr Worlds in 04, 05 and 09 and started going to Worlds / Euros / Oly in the 2006 season. IIRC she went to Jr Worlds in 09 to improve her world ranking just enough so that she could have a better short program draw at Worlds - that was the last year she was eligible for Jr Worlds.

    I guess that strategy was reasonable except Georgia didn't end up using that second spot for Vancouver...
  2. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka The Stolbova/Klimov and James/Cipres Uber

    ^Has anyone else had such a gap between their first and last appearance at a Jr. Worlds? I remember her competing in 09; it just seemed so weird seeing her there having watched first at Torino three years earlier :lol:
  3. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    Julia Lautowa first competed at 1994 Junior Worlds, when she was 12 (too young by today's age rules). She also competed at the 1995, 96, 97, 98, and 2000 events, after which she was too old.
  4. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

    She failed to qualify to the LP at Euros that year so she needed the ranking points for a good draw at Worlds. She actually won the SP at Junior Worlds but bombed the FS. Would've been really weird to have a junior champion three years after making the final olympic group.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2013
  5. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka The Stolbova/Klimov and James/Cipres Uber

    :eek: I didn't know (/had forogtten?) that.

  6. Seerek

    Seerek Well-Known Member

    Similar to the Gedevanishvili example, many of the skaters above were also at 2009 Senior Worlds:

    Denis Ten - 8th

    Alena Leonova - 7th
    Elena Gedevanishvili - 10th
    Ivana Reitmayerova - 14th

    (Michael Brezina had already been to 2 Europeans).
  7. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    As I said, it's very common for skaters from smaller federations to compete at both junior and senior championships while they're age eligible for both.
  8. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

    Laetitia Hubert won junior worlds in 1992 (held in December 1991) at her first attempt. In February 1992, she went to Olympic Games in Albertville, placing 12th. At the world championships in Oakland, Hubert was very close to a medal, placing 5th in the short, 3rd in the free, and 4th overall.

    She had however, been to senior worlds in 1990 and 1991.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2013
  9. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    Out of the new Junior Entries

    Martinez, Julia, Jason, Joshua, Stepanova/Bukin, Papadakis/Cizeron
    have a chance to get onto the 2014 Olympics
  10. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure if these have been mentioned:

    In addition to appearing at 2001 Junior worlds, KvdP was the silver medalist in 2002, I think shortly after he finished 12th at SLC (and two years after making his senior Worlds debut).
    The Zhangs were the reigning junior World champions when the competed in SLC (finishing 11th).
    The Zaretskis finished 4th at 2005 Junior Worlds (how they were able to manage that despite training in Metulah while Roman served in the IDF is a mystery) and 22nd in Torino.
  11. kalamalka

    kalamalka Well-Known Member

    It is not semantics, it is a contradictory fact. The former Soviet Union is not now called Russia. The portion of the former USSR that is and was Russia is now Russia. Other countries that were during that period the other Soviet Socialist Republics have become independent countries or regained their independence. There was a brief period in Olympic terms (when Petrenko won in 1992) when there was a Unified Team - again not Russia - including athletes from former USSR components. When Petrenko won bronze in 1988 it was still USSR, not Russia. As a person of (partial) Russian ancestry, I know that these distinctions, as well as being real, are very important to people from other parts of the former Russian Empire and Soviet Union. They are different peoples, and now different countries.
  12. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    And Surya Bonaly was 1991 Junior World champion and 5th at 1992 Olympics.
    But also, she was at senior Worlds in 1989, 1990 and 1991 !
  13. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

    French women were very strong in the 1990s. Bonaly, Hubert, and Gusmeroli were frequently in the top ten during that decade.
  14. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka The Stolbova/Klimov and James/Cipres Uber

    ^And were all :inavoid: in their own way :respec:
  15. Susan M

    Susan M Well-Known Member

    The US has had even worse luck with Jr World Ice dance medalists, especially gold medalists:

    After a 14 year Dance medal drought at Junior Worlds, the US won Jr Worlds dance gold in 1998. From then until now the US has had 6 Jr Worlds gold medal teams, only one of which (Belbin/Agosto) went on to win an Olympic medal.

    1998 Gold - Joseph/Butler - went to Nagano in 98 (21st) split up that summer.
    1999 Gold - Silverstein/Pekarek - 12th in 2000 Worlds then split the next year. She did make it to the 2006 Olympics with another partner (16th)
    2000 Silver - Nussear/Forsyth - split after that season. Neither reached Senior World or Olympics with new partners.
    2000 Bronze, 2001 Silver, 2002 Gold - Belbin Agonsto - Olympic Silver in 2006 & World medals
    2004 Bronze, 2005 Gold - Matthews/Zavozin - 16th at Worlds in 2006, split the next season. He did make it to the 2010 Olympics with a new partner, skating for Hungary.
    2006 Bronze - Davis/White - Olympic Silver in 2010, World Champions in 2011
    2008 Gold - Samuelson/Bates - skated in 2010 Olympics (11th) - didn't compete together after that season. Now competing with Chock.
    2009 Gold - Chock/Zuerline - split in 2011

    I stopped after the most recent Olympics because we don't know yet how the others will do. Still, you get the idea that, for US teams at least, Junior Worlds success isn't a very good predictor of future success.
  16. skaters04

    skaters04 Active Member

    Actually, that's FOUR, since Brian Boitano was bronze medalist at junior worlds in 1978 and gold medalist at Olympics in 1988