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IJS jump downgrade symbols

Discussion in 'Moves In The Field' started by Iluvid, Sep 3, 2010.

  1. Iluvid

    Iluvid Active Member

    I was looking at some protocals for a local competition. On one skater's protocal, for their jumps they have a < next to the jump, and then the next jump there's a << symbol. What is the difference and why do they have two different symbols now?
  2. C_T_T_

    C_T_T_ Well-Known Member

    < now means that the jump was under rotated a little but they still get the base value of the jump with -GOE

    << means the jump was really under rotated and is downgraded. I think it's by half a turn.
  3. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    With the < the skater gets a slightly lower base value than if it was fully rotated.

    So if they did a double toeloop which was underrotated, instead of 1.4 which is what they would have got, they then get 1.0. But it won't go down to the single jump value which it would if it was downgraded.

    The information about the values of underrotations is in ISU Communication 1611. And it also explains the different between the Underrotations and Downgrades.
  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia Still recovering from Worlds...

    See HisWeirness' summary in this post: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2753938&postcount=1
    HisWeirness and (deleted member) like this.
  5. Iluvid

    Iluvid Active Member

    Thanks everyone! I had an idea that they would stand for different things but wasn't positive.
  6. vesperholly

    vesperholly Well-Known Member

    what does the ! stand for again - edge change? I always find that funny, because when I took notes at competitions or tests, I wrote a ! for an exceptionally awesome jump or spin. :)
  7. HisWeirness

    HisWeirness pork cutlet bowl fatale

    You don't need to remember ! anymore because it's gone from the rules.

    The ! used to mean "edge warning" (unclear edge) and did not require mandatory -GOE like e (wrong edge).

    As of 2010-11 the ISU has eliminated ! and is only using e.

    From ISU Comm. 1611:
    The guidelines now state that if the judge feels the edge was unclear they should deduct -1 or -2 in GOE and if the judge feels the edge was wrong the GOE must be negative and the judge should deduct -2 or -3 GOE.
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2010