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Igor Shpilband interview "I wasn't ready for what had happened between Marina and me"

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by quiqie, Oct 20, 2012.

  1. quiqie

    quiqie Well-Known Member

    Ekaterina Kulinicheva from Espoo, Finland: http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/25547/

    EK: Igor, how many ice dancing teams do you have in your group now?

    IS: This summer, I had about ten pairs. In addition to Chock/Bates, Cappellini/Lanotte, Ryazanova/Tkachenko, and Tobias /Stagnyunas, there are Justina Plutowska/Peter Gerber from Poland, several junior teams from Canada, America, France and Italy. I also helped another Italian pair, Charlene Guignard and Marco Fabbri. And just for a few weeks, I worked with Evgenia Kosygina and Nikolai Moroshkin - Alexei Gorshkov's athletes.

    EK: Was there anyone else who would like to work with you, but you had to refuse - for example, due to lack of time? After all, you had to deal with relocation to a new place ...

    IS: No, I didn't refuse anyone. At the rink in Novi, where I work now, there are two "fields" - and one of them is at my disposal almost the entire day. Certainly, the organizational part took a lot of time. But it's okay, I managed.

    EK: How long did it take to arrange everything?

    IS: It was hard because I did not expect what had happened, and was not ready for that forced relocation. Many of arenas had already sold out ice or closed for the summer by that time. But in the end we were lucky: there was enough ice in Novi, and working process didn't stop. To deal with what happened on a personal level was, of course, much harder.

    EK: Can you say that you have already got over it?

    IS: (After a pause.) I think I look into the future (smiles).

    EK: In general, you are not the one to hold grudges, are you?

    IS: No, I am not. But I'm not forgetful.

    EK: You must have had many offers ...

    IS: It was nice when people started calling from everywhere. Florida, California, New York. But I did not want to move far away, because it would be difficult to relocate all skaters. Some of them, for example, study at university. And I'm just used to Michigan, I have lived there for more than two decades. There are my friends, people who I had worked with for many years. The whole structure can be moved from one rink to another, but from one state to another - it is much more complicated.

    EK: They also invited you back to Russia, didn't they?

    IS: I actually got a call from the Russian figure skating federation. They offered support. We didn't discuss anything specific, but I was very pleased.

    EK: Was it even possible to convince you to move from the U.S.?

    IS: I would not use such words as "possible" or "impossible." Everything is possible in this world now. It is just extremely difficult. I was able to organize everything in Novi in a short time. It helped that I had contacts with many experts on ballet, acrobatics, general physical preparation. And if I decided to move somewhere else, I would have had to search all over again.

    EK: Who of the coaches is working with you now in Novi? In the summer, I know that Barbara Fusar-Poli and Marina Klimova came to work with you, but, if I understand correctly, not on a permanent basis.

    IS: Yes, Barbara and Marina visited several times and helped me a lot. They are very competent experts. But the schedule was built so that their constant presence was not necessary.

    EK: So now, after ten years of coaching partnership, you prefer to do everything by yourself?

    IS: I had worked like that before Marina (Zueva - EK) - for almost 15 years. And my group got on quite serious level.

    EK: Do you communicate with athletes who had stayed in Canton?

    IS: I wouldn't really call it communication - there is no time left. Working at the new place consumes all my time. But we are still on good terms. For example, Meryl (Davis - EK) always writes me emails, congratulates with Madison and Evan's successes (Chock and Bates - EK). I hold no grudge against the skaters. They are victims in this situation.

    EK: So, the official version voiced by Arctic Edge club - that three top teams refused to work with you due to some disagreement - it is not true?

    IS: No, it isn't.

    EK: Are you interested in what's going on with your former students, what do their new programs look like?

    IS: Certainly. Why should I lie (laughs)? I actually watch with interest programs of all ice dancers of the world, and even more so - of the ice dancers of their level . Each of their programs can bring something new to ice dance.

    EK: Have you seen any of them? During team USA test skates, for example?

    IS: No. In the U.S., test skates are organized in such way that only experts and coaches of the specific team can see them.

    EK: Everybody is wondering how your break-up with Zoueva can affect the situation in ice dancing. And how it can affect the gap between Virtue /Moir, Davis/White and the rest of ice dancers. What is your opinion on this?

    IS: (Laughs.) I cannot comment on it, because I have not seen either of them this season yet. But I think that both teams have great potential. It will not be easy for the rest to catch up with them. There is eighteen months left until the Olympics, and I think it's ... (small pause) quite difficult, so to speak.

    EK: You agreed to work with Ekaterina Ryazanova/Ilia Tkachenko and their coach Alexei Gorshkov back in the spring. What did they want to get from working with you?

    IS: Perhaps they were looking for some new breath in their work, programs, in the skating technique. Alexei and I had known each other for many years, so it was easy to get along. So far we have worked only for three months, but I have very positive impressions. I feel that this team has huge potential and I enjoyed working with them.

    EK: What, in your opinion, did they lack before to be able to become number one or two on the Russian team?

    IS: I think they will be able to try to do it this season, and the next, Olympic season. They have everything it takes - they just need a little time. They both are very good skaters. Ilya is simply an amazing partner, Katya is very expressive, emotional, strong partner. We need to find the right programs and music for them. And then this team will shine and will surprise fans.

    EK: Have you agreed at once with Tatiana Tarasova's idea to replace the first version of their free dance "Hey You" with the waltz from The Godfather?

    IS: Yes. When we started working on the Pink Floyd program, the idea seemed interesting and fresh. But the program turned out to be a little flat, so we decided to choose more emotional music. Due to the "Godfather" I better understood this team. I think this is what they need.

    EK: At Finlandia Trophy your new students Cappellini and Lanotte won the free dance, but Ekaterina Bobrova and Dmitri Soloviev won overall. What is your impression of the Russian team who also has made a coaching change in the off-season?

    IS: Unfortunately, I did not have an opportunity to watch them: I was too busy with my three teams. Let me answer this question some other time. I can only say that three months is too little time to draw any conclusions. You cannot say that athletes have moved to another coach and it had changed them completely. That with the former coach everything was bad, and now with the new one it is all good. It does not work this way. All you can see right away, it's some really interesting findings, programs. But it takes time to see the results of serious work.

    EK: Last season, most of the top teams preferred light dancing programs. Davis and White had even replaced dramatic La Strada to Die Fledermaus. And now many skaters decided, on the contrary, to skate "drama". Is it the new fashion in ice dance?

    IS: I am not sure if you can really apply the term "fashion" here. In principle, each team tries to show something new every year - that's how they continue to develop. And that is what I think can be considered the main trend. If you do just dancing programs or only dramatic ones each season, it will get repetitive. Current rules in ice dance are very strict - they require change of pace and change of character. Choosing the music, first and foremost, you keep that in mind.

    EK: How did it happen that two top teams came across the idea of "Carmen" (in addition to Cappellini/Lanotte, Virtue/Moir have chosen it for their free dance - EK)?

    IS: I had this idea in mind for many, many years. Even a program was set - for a team that did not happen. And when Luca and Anna came to me, I thought that this theme will be just right for them.

    EK: In figure skating, there were a few famous "Carmen". What is special about Cappellini/Lanotte's program ?

    IS: Last time that we saw "Carmen", let me remind you, it was Tatiana Navka and Roman Kostomarov's version at the Olympics in Turin in 2006. But there were Toreodor and Carmen, while Luca and Anna have completely different story and different drama - Carmen and Jose, a story of love, betrayal, jealousy. Because of this, we chose different music fragments. You know, it's such a powerful thing, such an amazing music, that you can do several programs and not repeat yourself. I thought that now "Carmen" corresponds to what the ISU wants.

    EK: Have you re-watched any of the past versions?

    IS: Honestly, no. I clearly remember all of them, including Natalia Bestemianova and Andrei Bukin's program. I watched the ballet with Maya Plisetskaya, and many more. Many choreographers had turned to "Carmen", treating this theme in different ways. The closest to what Anna and Luca do is Plisetskaya's performance. By the way, Anna and Luca worked with the choreographer Ludmila Vlasova, former ballet dancer of the Bolshoi Theatre. She also added much to the program.
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2012
  2. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

    Thank you. Have no time to comment much now, but - interesting, interesting.
  3. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

    Yes - thanks. That was a very interesting read. I appreciate that he is honest without slinging too much mud / sounding bitter. Good for him to bounce back so quickly and make things worked for everyone involved.
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  4. jobelle

    jobelle Member

    I'm glad to hear that he is still on good terms with the skaters that remained in Canton. I would hate to think that those bridges were burned in this situation and as a fan of those skaters it is also good to hear Igor clear V/M, D/W, and S/S of any fault in the split.
  5. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    Things I gleaned from this article:

    1. As I already knew, Meryl Davis is the classiest person ever.

    2. Igor was pretty blindsided.

    3. Unless someone writes a tell-all years down the road, we'll never actually know what happened in Canton.

    4. I think Igor may wind up having higher-quality skaters and programs than Marina in the long run (when we count out D/W and V/M--they're in a class by themselves). He seems to have a better grasp of the way things work in the sport than she does (and I'm not really sure that, beyond those teams, Marina can handle the complete organization and packaging of skaters without a partner).
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  6. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    I can't imagine judges going from giving DW and VM 10's in PCS in some cases reducing them by 1 or 2 points and making things closer just because spill and and zeuva are no longer partners.
  7. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    The program didn't happen, or the team itself didn't happen?

    Wonder who it was.
  8. quiqie

    quiqie Well-Known Member

    The team.
  9. PeterG

    PeterG Well-Known Member

    But reminders are cool. :D
  10. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

    Thanks quique. I agree with Accordion. I like his honesty. It is not easy not to be bitter but the interview indicates he is trying to move forward without indulging in the past. Good for him.
  11. marysy

    marysy Well-Known Member

    This interview gave me new respect for Igor and how he's handled this tough situation. I, like others, appreciate his honesty in this interview. It sounds like he's moving on quite well and not holding grudges, while remaining on good terms with his former skaters. Personally, I hope that both the Canton and Novi camps thrive - ice dance as a whole would be better for it, and we'll get to see some great programs and younger teams develop as a result. Thanks very much for posting.
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    But we already know what happened. Two people fighting for power.

    There's no objective truth. All you can get is different accounts from different people that will see the situation differently.
  13. circuscandy

    circuscandy New Member

    I'm really glad to know that the skaters are still on good terms with him. He always seemed so supportive and kind to them and it would have been hard to know that there were any cracks in their relationship because of this.
  14. SLIVER

    SLIVER Well-Known Member

    I'd like to hazard a guess, that one of the top 2, will end up with him for Oly season. Plenty of time to move right after worlds. I think if D/W finish 2nd again in London, then they really have nothing at all to lose.
  15. Lacey

    Lacey Well-Known Member

    Absolutely, I D/W will go into this season with their eyes, and well their ears, open.
  16. Doggygirl

    Doggygirl Viva la pornstache!

    Thanks quigie for sharing this article.

    It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
  17. mollymgr

    mollymgr Well-Known Member

  18. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    I wonder if Igor and Marina acknowledge each other when they're at the same competitions? I bet their interaction is chillier than the ice their skaters are competing on, LOL
  19. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    I wonder if V&M greeted him.... it must be like dealing with divorced parents, lol. We know that Meryl is still on friendly terms with him.
  20. bmcg

    bmcg Well-Known Member

    Weird how Anna said they wanted to watch Tessa and Scott skate their SD but were told to leave when the picture says otherwise. Unless they were told to move before the program ended. Has to be awkward for the Canton teams to deal with all this, like children in a divorce.

    Was Igor at Skate America? Can't recall at the moment.
  21. mollymgr

    mollymgr Well-Known Member

    I don't see why they wouldn't if they happen to run into him at comps. It is not like he won't be a part of the skating world. There will probably be many more encounters with him in the future.

    I would think it would be most awkward for Marina. But they are adults. I'm sure they can handle it :)
  22. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

    I think everyone in the KnK were asked not to leave the area until the next skaters were on the ice, but once the skater had been introduced, the peeps in the KnC were expected to vacate. I noticed a couple of coaches tell their skaters the same thing last night, so it wasn't just Igor telling C/L to stay put/leave.
  23. Manaud

    Manaud New Member

    He gave warm hugs after Tessa and scott won tonight.
  24. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

    It was mentioned in one of the Skate Canada threads that Igor and Marina hugged there. It seems to be ok, at least in public anyway.
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  25. Wiery

    Wiery Well-Known Member

    Thank you for posting the article!
  26. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    Well, what should they do in public, start shooting at each other? Or stick their toques out? Figure skating is sometimes a hypocritical world; people are smiling at each other even if they wish they could strangle each other.
  27. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

    For two people who parted on terms that weren't exactly friendly, I would expect them to acknowledge each other with a head nod, maybe even a smile. A hug seems a bit more friendly, at least to me. Perhaps the hugging doesn't mean as much in the skating culture?
  28. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    could be a beauty pageant hug
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

  30. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

    And it says???