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IceNetwork season renewal notice :-(

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Lara, Aug 3, 2012.

  1. skfan

    skfan Member


    but broadmoor open on wheat designs was LIVE and on demand within about 15 - 30 minutes. how long does it take IN to get regionals and sectionals up? it's not live, it's not even the same day, often not the same week.

    i don't think the level of service is directly comparable. also, when i have a problem with wheat designs i get a prompt response.

    since i'm more interested in the US JGP level skaters than i am in their senior GP skaters, i'll still subscribe.
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2012
  2. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    But IN does offer one jgp and a big part of nationals live. Plus the on demand stuff. Wheatdesign access only lasts three months and then you cannot access the event.That I think says a lot about how much companies need to charge for these niche sport coverage to be $$wise viable. This is no wimbledon after all with millions of viewers

    Not having live gp sucks for fans and IN, but all in all, 40 a year for two live events plus extra aint shabby. That said the IN announcement could be worded much better. Just ne honest darnit
  3. skfan

    skfan Member


    i think they were honest. it's in there somewhere, not hidden on some obscure link on their website.

    i'm not enthralled with IN, but i don't think they were deliberately deceitful.

    ETA: because the video quality from IN is often (not always) clearer than from wheat designs, i'm ok with waiting longer for a clearer picture. on 2nd thought, keep taking 2 weeks as long as the picture when i can finally view looks good on my computer :D
  4. purple skates

    purple skates Shadow Dancing

    I'm keeping IN, but I'm more interested in Adult Nationals than anything else. A whole bunch cheaper than what they charge for an on-site video, and I can go back several years.
  5. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    From my business communication class, there are two schools of thought re delivering bad news.
    One is to bury the bad news in the middle of the letter and go over it as quickly as possible, and follow it up with good news. But another school believes the readers won tbe fooled anyway, so you might as well be sincere and tell the bad news and explain the rationale behind it

    Needless to say I believe in the second one :)
  6. Carolla5501

    Carolla5501 Well-Known Member

    And we wonder why skating is not being "broadcast" etc.... Support is "well I am going to take my toys and go home." SInce most of us don't have good options outside of IN the decision seems to be "If you won't do it the way I want I will just spend the season whining about missing it"

    Somehow that makes no sense to me, but....

    As for "blaming IN" REALLY? LOL! This is really a case of "Shoot the messenger" ISU signs the broadcast contracts...... THey gave NBC "exclusive" US rights for that initial broadcast/period. I doubt that was IN's first choice.

    I wonder if IN had gotten the rights and sent out an email saying "we will have live broadcasts, but due to the increased cost it's going to be $150 a person" what the outcry would have been. It's a trade off..... cheap vs pricy. Real time broadcast rights cost more... Fact of life.
  7. AJ Skatefan

    AJ Skatefan Well-Known Member

    I'm keeping Ice Network. I'm tired of Universal Sports playing the "call your cable provider" game. I was going to get Direct TV or Dish but decided to just downgrade my cable package and watch skating online and on NBC. I'm thinking it's better to give the tv providers as little money as possible. Of course, I'm waiting until after the Olympics to downgrade.....
    flutzilla1 and (deleted member) like this.
  8. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    From the other senior B thread, sounds like IN will have the US senior B event, presumably live.
  9. Doggygirl

    Doggygirl Viva la pornstache!

    I was just thinking that maybe a better strategy would be for all of the US figure skating fans to write to the ISU asking them what they are thinking selling the rights to NBC and basically giving NBC the right to deny coverage to anyone who is not a Dish network subscriber. I would think it's in the ISUs best interest in the long term to have viewing open to as many fans as possible.

    (not that Speedy gives a rusty hoot, but that's a whole nother story innit...)
  10. maureenfarone

    maureenfarone Well-Known Member

    I'm sticking with IN. I'll see whatever I can on any available stream, but for full coverage I'll just wait the week. For reasons I won't go into here, I won't be going to Omaha for Nationals so IN will allow me to see all the competitors.
    AJ Skatefan and (deleted member) like this.
  11. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    I didn't even get a renewal notice :( I'm both an IN subscriber and a USFS member...

    It's moot for me, as I will not be renewing with these terms. I only watched a small amount of nationals- as I was busy when they were on. Mostly, I got it for GP and 4CCs. Without GP being live, there is no point.

    Losing icenetwork would be a huge loss, but subscribing without any benefit to me also makes little sense.
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2012
  12. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    I'm going to contact the ISU about this, anyway.
    If people don't subscribe/renew we shouldn't be surprised if IN disappears.
    Then, we in the US, really will have few options.
  13. AJ Skatefan

    AJ Skatefan Well-Known Member

  14. my little pony

    my little pony war crawling into canada

    it's much cheaper to get IN than to go to SKAM etc, I will keep it
  15. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

    I'm renewing as I won't make it to SKAM or Nats. But I'm :( about the week's delay.
  16. skfan

    skfan Member

    Last edited: Aug 10, 2012
  17. dinakt

    dinakt Well-Known Member

    Yes, and it has a chance to repeat the good turn by posting Senior B in Utah. I hope it is in the works. If Icenetwork only has access to US competitions, but does its utmost to show many of them (adding the ones that were not shown before), I'll think it is doing its best.
  18. skfan

    skfan Member

    i thought it was already official that ice network will have live and on-demand video for JGP Lake Placid and the Senior B? maybe i misunderstood. if anyone knows, please clarify. thanks in advance :)
  19. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    JGP Lake Placid will be on YouTube anyway.
  20. Visaliakid

    Visaliakid Well-Known Member

    IceNetwork will have live coverage of the ISU Senior B competition in Salt Lake City.
  21. PinkFeathers

    PinkFeathers Active Member

  22. blancanieves

    blancanieves Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the stupid question. I've never viewed/ordered anything On-Demand before. So, if I renew my IN subscription, will I get to see the GP events after 7 days at no additional charge or will I have to pay additional fees to view these?
  23. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

    I'm debating. I have Directv but not Universal Sports, so that's not an option. I guess I could go with IN, but I don't know...I have a few weeks to decide.
  24. MacombSk8rMom

    MacombSk8rMom New Member

    I agree. Now, why no video from Lake Placid IDC? Junior and senior events were packed, including international teams.
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    The host club or organization of any summer competition has to be willing in order to make it happen.
  26. AJ Skatefan

    AJ Skatefan Well-Known Member

    No additional charge.
  27. blancanieves

    blancanieves Well-Known Member


    Thank you :)
  28. Lara

    Lara It's JJ style!

    If IceNetwork manages to get rights to later-season events like Euros/4CC/Worlds, expect to pay an additional fee. But the GP is included like AJ said.
  29. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

    It's not the same having to wait 7 days to watch the GP when we were used to watching it live.
  30. Visaliakid

    Visaliakid Well-Known Member

    IceNetwork needs our support - not misplaced rhetoric

    The 2012 – 2013 figure skating season gets underway August 22nd thru the 26th with the ISU Junior Grand Prix (JGP) Courchevel, France. Nearly simultaneous posting of program videos from this and all JGP events will be available for viewing on the ISU Junior Grand Prix YouTube channel @ http://www.youtube.com/ISU JuniorGrandPrix.

    The following week, August 29th to September 1, the JGP Lake Placid, USA takes place. This is the only JGP event to be seen live on IceNetwork.com this season.

    The ISU Grand Prix series beginning in mid-October (except for Skate America which U.S. Figure Skating holds live streaming rights) will not be available for simultaneous live streaming on IceNetwork this season along with UniversalSports.com. This change has been bought about by a UniversalSports.com change in their internet subscription policy. They have opted to discontinue individual event purchases and season subscriptions to anyone, in favor of an authentication process similar to that used by NBCOlympics.com during Olympics coverage. If your Television provider carries the Universal Sports Cable Channel on their system, you can purchase a season pass to view their offerings. Those who do not receive Universal Sports Channel on their systems will no longer have internet viewing access.

    Let’s take a more in-depth look at this change and attempt to bring some reason and positives regarding future coverage of the sport.

    First, what does this change in UniversalSports.com policy mean for IceNetwork.com? What Universal Sports’ new arrangement has done is restrict their ability to license live streaming to a third party like IceNetwork.com. Thus the simultaneous live streaming agreement that these two web entities have had the past two seasons is not possible this season. U.S. Figure Skating was however able to convince them to allow content to be made available via video on demand (VOD) on a one week delay. Considering their new carriage arrangements, this agreement is unprecedented but comes at a further financial cost to U.S. Figure Skating.

    So what we have now is a step backward for skating fans who want at least the same or more live coverage of the sport especially on the internet. We can all thank Universal Sports for this. U.S. Figure Skating has done due diligence within the constraints dumped on them. It is not a satisfactory solution and they understand this fact and are no less frustrated than those of us they serve.

    There is one positive to take away from this situation. This is the last season that Universal Sports owns the rights to the ISU events. Sources within U.S. Figure Skating indicate USFS is working closely with all key parties, including the ISU, to make sure that the future U.S. rights holder has clear and direct expectations on distribution of TV and digital content. U.S. Figure Skating’s message on this to the ISU “has been heard “according to the background information I have received. USFS officials are said to be confident that a more fan friendly arrangement that is good for the future of the sport will come from these efforts.

    Next let’s address the chaff and chatter we are reading on forums, Facebook, Twitter and blogs regarding IceNetwork.com subscription costs.

    Why is the IceNetwork.com season pass price of $39.95 staying the same particularly when live Grand Prix coverage has been denied them by UniversalSports.com? There are several factors in play. The foremost one is that IceNetwork.com is still paying a fee to license the video on demand rights even on a one week delay. Live coverage of both the Junior Grand Prix Lake Placid and the U.S. International in Salt Lake City events have been added at additional cost. According to information obtained annual costs have not gone down but in fact have increased as pricing to deliver content on IceNetwork.com has increased. U.S. Figure Skating may be lucky to just break even while not raising the annual IceNetwork.com subscription cost.

    Also read internet-wide, have been suggestions that a majority of subscribers purchase season passes only to watch live Grand Prix events. Information I have access to indicates that this just isn’t the case. Video on demand actually dominates IceNetwork viewing statistics and surprisingly, not only VOD within 24 hours of an event but VOD numbers up to two weeks after an event outpace live viewership. This indicates fans have a passion for viewing well after events conclude. You can bet that USFS is counting on this trend to help carry them thru this coming season until better streaming arrangements can be obtained well into the future.

    What about the new discounted annual subscription price of $19.95 for USFS Members? Well there is reason and strategy behind this effort and it comes with a calculated risk too.

    Sources tell me that USFS members have not embraced the IceNetwork Season Pass as they hoped they would. This reduced price for USFS members is an effort to get a large increase in member participation. If successful in this regard the discounted subscription rate can become permanent. If not, USFS will not be able to recoup the lost revenue for offering it.

    Finally, I have been an IceNetwork subscriber and long-time member of U.S. Figure Skating. I love the sport with all my heart and want both entities to succeed. I am most appreciative of the discounted season pass cost and intend to take full advantage of it this season and hopefully well into the future. I believe it is imperative that all current and future members of USFS take advantage of this discounted season pass and help IceNetwork become the première streaming site for the sport web-wide. Please go to http://web.icenetwork.com/ and subscribe today!

    Peter Murray
    Editor, Blazing Blades