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haircutter vs catchfoot layback

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by iarispiralllyof, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. iarispiralllyof

    iarispiralllyof Active Member

    people seem to be really inconsistent in labeling/calling these two moves out, and often they seem to be mistaken for each other, so I'm really confused

    am i correct in assuming that the haircutter just has the foot extended higher up beside the head (not over it like a biellman), whereas the catchfoot layback has the foot below the head? google images seems really inconsistent with this move :confused:

    on a side note: the pearl just seems to be a catchfoot layback with the legs straightened out more so it's like a biellman but in a layback position? a lot of people are inconsistent about this as well. I've seen mirai nagasu's catchfoot layback labelled a pearl spin even though the leg isn't straightened out

    Last edited: Mar 22, 2013
  2. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    I think your description of the pearl spin as a lay-back in the Biellman position is a good description.

    Irina has one of the best catch foot. I think the term catch-foot and hair-cutter is interchangeable. I mean Irina definitely could've cut her hair with her blade while in the catch-foot position.
  3. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    Your descriptions are good. To me, the hair cutter has the blade near the head, potentially "cutting" the hair. The pearl, the head is near the knee, because like a biellman, the leg is extended.

    A catch foot layback is any position laid back holding the foot. So this could be either of the above moves, but so could other laybacks.
  4. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

    Didn't Dick Button unfortunately contribute to the semantics issues with this? He seemed unprepared for the proliferation of catch foot moves, so sometimes he would search a bit.
  5. 5Ali3

    5Ali3 Active Member

    Skittl1321's definitions are great.

    Technically, a "haircutter" in which the skater simply grabs the free leg and raises the blade to head level isn't a difficult variation of a layback position. In order to get it called as a difficult variation, there should be additional bend in the core. This is one of the calls that frequently falls into the gray zone; some callers are very picky about the "change in core;" others will award it based on flexibility alone.
  6. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    I miss The Pearl. A thing of beauty.
  7. iarispiralllyof

    iarispiralllyof Active Member

    Thanks for all of the feedback you guys!

    What confuses me is that there are a variety of very similar moves

    like akiko's catchfoot right here (notice how the leg is brought up higher in the end than with say..mirai's)

    this would qualify as a haircutter too wouldn't it? carolina does sth similar
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2013