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greatest rivalry ever

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by ladiesnow, Jan 16, 2011.

The most interesting rivalry in figure skating

  1. Yu Na Kim and Mao Asada

    18 vote(s)
  2. Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan

    18 vote(s)
  3. Brian Boitano and Brian Orser

    42 vote(s)
  4. Katarina Witt and Debi Thomas

    7 vote(s)
  5. Alexei Yagudin and Evgeni Plushenko

    131 vote(s)
  6. Michelle Kwan and Tara Lipinski

    8 vote(s)
  7. Scott Hamilton and Scott Cramer

    0 vote(s)
  8. Jamie Sale and David Pelletier vs. Yelena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze

    6 vote(s)
  9. Linda Fratianne and Anett Poetzsch

    3 vote(s)
  10. Todd Eldredge and Timothy Goebel

    0 vote(s)
  11. Other

    5 vote(s)
  1. ladiesnow

    ladiesnow New Member

    I just found a poll launched by Time Magazine about the greatest rivalry in figure skating. I've shown their list, but I can think of a lot of other great rivalries as well. Anyway, Yagudin and Plushenko are by far my choice, regardless of what other options I have. what do you think?
  2. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

    Wasn't Kulik in the mix as well, and weren't they all training under Mishin in the beginning?
  3. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

    Yagudin and Plushenko all the way! No other pair even comes close.

    :huh: Eldredge and Goebel had a rivalry?
  4. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    Has to be Yags and Plushy. Just remember the clips of Yags backstage when Plush stuffed up.
  5. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

    Yags Plush.
    No question.
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  6. meggonzo

    meggonzo Well-Known Member

    I voted for Yags/Plush.

    I think Michelle should be matched up with Slutskaya. They had a longer rivalry than Michelle/Tara did.
  7. bardtoob

    bardtoob Former Choreographer for Anna Maria Tragikova

    Cecilia Colledge and Megan Taylor*
    Tenley and Carol*
    The Jenkins Brothers
    Maria and Irina

    Of those listed, Linda vs Annett was probably the greatest. Unlike Michelle and Tara, they actually did rematches for multiple seasons.

    Tonya Harding vs Nancy Kerrigan should be called "The Able with Inconsistent training" vs "The Trained with Inconsistent ability", the silver medal goes to the hard worker when they both, on average, underperform.

    I would have liked to have seen Fassi vs Mueller, but that was more like an oligopoly in the end although a rivalry at first.

    * Colledge vs Taylor and Tenley vs Carol make Yag vs Plushy look like a silly tiff.
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2011
  8. Islander

    Islander New Member

    IMO the most interesting rivalry had to be Kerrigan vs. Harding.
  9. meggonzo

    meggonzo Well-Known Member

    who the hell is Scott Cramer?

    And I guess Johnny vs. Evan is not that interesting... :lol:
  10. mmscfdcsu

    mmscfdcsu Skating Pairs with Drew


    No. It is Johnny vs. Johnny that has been interesting. He is his own biggest rival. :shuffle:
  11. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    What about Elvis vs. Kurt? I know that didn't last very many years, because Kurt went pro, but it was still interesting.
  12. MusicSkateFan

    MusicSkateFan New Member

    I voted for the Brian's just because their Olympics was decided during the free skate. Yags/Plushy was my second choice only because of Plushy's fall in the Olympic Short program really decided the winner.

    BTW one of my fav moments in Fig skating has to be Plushy's fall in the 2002 Olympic SP! I cheared so loudly!
  13. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Umm wouldnt Ito vs Yamaguchi, Kwan vs Slutskaya, and Browning vs Petrenko all been better options than Hamilton vs Cramer, Eldredge vs Goebel, or Kerrigan vs Harding.
  14. Really

    Really I need a new title

    Same here...for all of it.
  15. Maximillian

    Maximillian Well-Known Member

    I really feel that Kwan v. Slute was a manufactured rivalry. At the time I was all for it and a huge Slutskaya fan, but in retrospect, Kwan really had it all over Irina and it should never have been as close as it was. I think their rivalry was more the result of Russian politics and the void left by Lipinski's departure.
  16. Satellitegirl

    Satellitegirl New Member

    Boitano vs Orser or Witt vs Thomas IMO
  17. Karpenko

    Karpenko Not Impressed.

    It didn't last more than 2 years but the Kwan/Lipinski rivalry always had me on the edge of my seat. Even at small GP events.

    Yags/Plush rivalry lasted longer, but I prefer the above two's skating as a combo compared to them too so they get my vote. :p
  18. vodkashot

    vodkashot Active Member

  19. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting those vodkashot! I had not seen the 2nd one before now. Is Plushenko actually suggesting that Yagudin's hypnosis made Plushenko fall?

    (Not to start more Plushenko bashing - I am just wondering if that translation is accurate?)
  20. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    Well, I didn't want to vote for Yagudin vs Plushenko since many people already did it :lol:
    My second option was Boitano vs Orser, the difference is that it was a friendly rivalry.
  21. let`s talk

    let`s talk Banned Member

  22. floskate

    floskate Vacant

    Cramer was 2nd at Nationals in 1977 and '79, was 5th at Worlds in '79 also and very much on a par with Scott Hamilton in the late 1970's. The rivalry is infamous because of a lot of trash talking which all resulted from Carlo Fassi at one time training both of them but clearly favouring Cramer which pushed Hamilton to go to Don Laws. When Hamilton made the 1980 Olympic team ahead of Cramer he was able to gloat to Fassi that he had picked the wrong Scott. :lol:

    Cramer went on to win the Spanish World Pro event in 1980 and the US Professional title in 1981. He's a Doctor now I believe. Here's one of his best performances from the 1980 pre Olympic event at Lake Placid called Norton skate where he was beaten by.....Scott Hamilton! ;)

  23. paskatefan

    paskatefan Well-Known Member

    Brian B. vs. Brian O. - I prefer friendly rivalries, although the one between Alexei Y. & Plushy was pretty amazing.

    I don't consider Todd vs. Timmy a rivalry, but I do consider Todd vs. Elvis a rivalry. Loved seeing both of them on the World podium. I got the sense that it was also a respectful rivalry, like with the Brians.

    As for the ladies - Michelle vs. Irina, Michelle vs. Tara
  24. Extranjera

    Extranjera Member

    I voted for Yagudin & Plushenko, but If I could choose 2 options, I would vote also on Yuna & Mao.

    no Michelle Kwan & Irina Slutskaya on the list?
  25. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    I disagree. Other than the 2001-2002 season Grand Prix there isnt one win Irina had over Michelle that was controversial, and Irina had many wins over Michelle from 2000 onwards. And Kwan didnt have it all over Irina. Irina was definitely the better jumper, probably the better spinner, skated with more speed and power, was comparable and at times better in footwork (even though Kwan also had excellent footwork). At her best she was technically superior to Kwan, which wasnt true of any of the other top skaters of that era.

    And with her back problems Tara would have lost her triple-triple combos and without those she would have dropped out of the top 5 before long probably. At the time it seemed like a shame but in retrospect thank goodness for her she turned pro when she did. She probably would have taken silver at the 99 Nationals and Worlds then gone downhill in a big way from there.
  26. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    I disagree with your disagreement. That is not to say Irina didn't have excellent qualities and didn't do things better than Kwan, but comparing routines and performances during the height of their rivalry, there was just a difference in quality of skating and even choreography. For all the grief Kwan gets for her lack of transitions, I don't get why Irina isn't criticized more for her mash-up, incohesive, pose-heavy, Rachael Flatt-style cutesy/bored looking angst, (front-load heavy SPs) choreography in the early 2000s that was emptier than most of the top skaters (in fact, I think she's a big reason why Kwan started scaling back on her choreography to stroke around in order to catch up to Irina's speed skating).

    But we can just leave it at that because otherwise, we'd be talking in circles and it's obvious we'll continue to disagree on this point.
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  27. Mafke

    Mafke Well-Known Member

    I'm gonna throw some more love toward Fratianne/Poetzsch

    - Fratianne's was the first eligible career I followed (to the extent that was possible at the time)
    - it lasted for an entire olympic cycle
    - there was the whole cold war vibe going on
    - figures added a special mystique to the competition
    - the lack of media overkill also added to the mystique
    - the whole 'amateur' thing also added to the mystique
    - it really was close most of the time
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  28. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    Battle of the Brians for sure!
  29. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Like I said other than the 2001-2002 Grand Prix final when has Irina ever had a victory over Kwan she did not deserve or that was controversial. If nobody can answer that question then obviously it was a major rivalry.

    In fact the only arguably controversial losses Kwan has ever had in a major event her whole career were agaisnt Lipinski .
  30. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Looking back it doesnt seem that great to me. I guess since it was so competitive it was great in that sense. However Fratianne and her coach whining after every time they lost to Poetzsch (even times it was clearly justified and Linda was in fact overmarked like the 78 Worlds), the bland and rather dull skating of both, the fact neither ever had any kind of historic performance or historical battle, and that all the contests seemed to involve either splats (77 and 79 Worlds by Poetzsch), controversy (Fratianne losing in 1980), or just overall mediocre skating (1980 Worlds except for LP by Fratianne) and I dont see it as anything memorable or great.

    Personally I would have been glad when both just retired and they moved on to some more interesting, consistent, and classy skaters. I would rather watch tapes of Watanabe, Marie Allen, Sandy Lenz, Denise Beillmann, or Elene Voderezova than either of any of their performances anyway.