Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by tkaug, Nov 7, 2012.
Oriental? God, that sounds so racist. If you are going to get on your high fecking horse, please don't have a racist name tag, mmkay?
The oriental plane is the English language name of one of my favourite trees.
Well then...you have named your favourite tree in A VERY RACIST WAY!!!!
You have a good writer.
Plantanus Orientalis-----A GORGEOUS TREE WITH maple type leaves.
Not OP's fault, PeterG. the agriculturist/scientist/?? who named this tree ORIENTAL PLANE, and OP's poor taste for liking this tree.
Ignore it and it will go away.
Honest professor - I didn't mean to plagiarize! It was a coincidence/ subconscious / the mark of 2 geniuses moving along the same plane.
LOL, so how's that working out, Zigs?
LMFAO! This is one of the best posts I have seen in awhile! Hilarious!
Tonia had a legitimate shot at making the '98 Olympic team, last time she competed at Nationals. And she went to Worlds that same season, finishing 6th. The only similarity I see is that you probably never enjoyed seeing either one of them sticking around. Which, you know, is how retirement should be determined. Will have them give you a call before signing up for any future events.
Fumie didn't get along with anyone but her sister. I think I remember reading Shizuka or Miki's blog a long time ago that they always included Fumie to going out for dinners and stuff(they were all practicing at the same rink at one point) but Fumie never wanted to join in.
While it's true she didn't get along with them, we wouldn't know what prevented her from wanting to join in.
Maybe she's a Scientologist? Or an Illuminati? And only socialises with HER OWN KIND.
I meant it could have been external as well as internal. She got along fine with the American skaters, at least on surface. She had spent her childhood years in Anchorage Alaska and her spoken English was pretty good, so I guess it helped her there. When moved to Japan she might have had some difficulty in being fully adjusted into the circle, where compliance with group behavior is the encouraged norm, relatively speaking. It would have been not entirely by her choice or her lack of sociability, but there could have also been some social or emotional barrier set by her peers which would not be readily visible or felt by the outsiders. It’s my guess.
those are good observations,lowtherlore. it's easy to judge a person, especially from the outside, instead of looking at our own flaws
Now that the world hasn't ended, we need a new conspiracy.
That's very interesting, thanks. I didn't realise. Having been brought up in a different country puts you in this strange position where you feel and consider yourself to be Japanese (or whatever other nationality), yet when you move there after years of living somewhere else, you are different and don't really fit in. I know somebody who has experienced this clash.
Im sorry but Fumie has been done along time ago
I just saw a post below on her Twitter account.
Arrived Munich,waiting Adam
I do not think her English is good at all.
Good English speakers wouldn't make such silly mistakes like this.
She did, and she wisely recognized it was then or never, that was her last chance, and instantly turned pro after the 1997-1998 season after a long and respectable amateur career, to cash in on her pro opportunities before it was too late. This is Tonia who for skating standards had stretched out her amateur skating career to the max as it was. Fumie who has had a far more successful career than Tonia has not had the same wisdom Tonia had about when to let go. Like Tonia in 1998, 2006 was Fumie's last chance to reach her major goals in the sport, and as it was she might have just missed (4th at the 06 Olympics, just off the podium, just missing the long awaited World gold). To stay for 1 more year to attempt to skate at Worlds at home in Japan was reasonable, but after that it has just gotten plain silly, and now post Vancouver it is now getting to the point it is borderline scary and one could even worry about her sanity at this point. If she were competing in adult competitions like Midori Ito that would be totally fine, but instead she not only competes at elite level competitions in Japan, a decade older than anyone else, but talks about wanting to go back to the Olympics when she cant even make it out of regional competition, do triples anymore, and is now getting 4s in components in regional competition, after reportedly already bankrupting her retired parents to keep doing this. Yikes! Sadly she has also missed the opportunity to have a nice professional career, something much lesser skaters like Jennifer Robinson have enjoyed, and help the financial burdens of her family.
I agree that Fumie's desire to compete is quixotic, but this statement is heavy on the hyperbole. Fumie is a frequent participant in shows -- she is doing one in Italy tomorrow -- and I don't know that she is turning down offers to train for Japanese regionals. Judging from her schedule I think she is doing all the shows she can and entering the regional competitions on the side, regardless of what she may tell the press in her infrequent interviews. Just my two cents.
There's often a big difference between another language spoken and another language written.
Admins, could we please change the title of this thread to: "Fumie Suguri, the Norma Desmond of Figure Skating"? Thanks.
I have spoken to Fumie several times and her English is better than your Japanese will ever be.
In addition to her years in Alaska, she is extremely well cultured and traveled thanks to 15+ years competing. She's worked with Russian, Japanese and North American coaches and choreographers.
She was tweeting, likely on a mobile device. She doesn't need to have perfect grammar.
While I think her best competitive days are behind her, she's not hurting anyone by still competing.
You say she is not hurting anyone by still competing?
How many times has she withdrawn competitions just a few days before so no other Japanese substitutes can compete? She also makes excuses for not winning, saying she had some injuries or an issue with her boots. That is not what senior skaters like her should do.
By the way, I am a native Japanese speaker and I hear and see her news at the first place.
She has also cancelled many ice shows in Japan so she totally deserves it that she is not invited to Ice shows in Japan anymore.
MANY elite level skaters give those reasons (injury/boot issues) when a competition doesn't go the way they want it to, whether it be true or not, I don't see why Fumie shouldn't be allowed to do the same
tkaug, we get it. You hate Fumie Suguri or at least dislike so much that you want to spread bad gossip about her to damage her reputation.
You forgot to mention she wrote the same thing word for word in Japanese, namely without the particles, which is strictly speaking grammatically incorrect as well
Maybe her Japanese isn't that good either
Or maybe we shouldn't judge her language ability based on tweets. Just saying.....And even if her English wasn't perfect, what's the problem?
Then again, I am sure you'll have more reasons why we should hate Fumie that you can generously share with us