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Fumie Suguri failed to qualify for Japanese Nationals again

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by tkaug, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    Actually it is the second year we are having this thread. I have no doubt we will have a third thread next year...
  2. tkaug

    tkaug Member

  3. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

    She will be 32 December 31. Happy Birthday!!!!. I have no idea what she is thinking or how she sees things, but I can't help but be concerned that she is suffering from some kind of illness. There is such a disconnect with reality.
  4. alchemy void

    alchemy void blowing kisses with bitchface

    :rofl: Happy birthday, I think you may be mentally ill, but happy birthday, girl!! :rofl:
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  5. PeterG

    PeterG Well-Known Member

    This "kick 'em when they're down!!!" game is FUN! :cheer2: Luckily for us we all own steel-toed boots. Otherwise there'd be quite the crowd at the Emergency Room! :D

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  6. Really

    Really I need a new title

    Maybe she just likes to skate and compete. Who are we to tell any skater when they have to stop taking a shot at it?
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  7. JeffClair1979

    JeffClair1979 Scissoring Cizeron!

    I'm with you, PeterG.

    Plus, I bet she's skating better than any of the haters who are posting vitriol on here are. For that, I say GO FUMIE :D
  8. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    Just out of curiosity, is she both coaching and competing or just skating? I can see some coaches still competing to some extent (like Wesley Campbell this year, Jason Wong a few years ago)
  9. Alex Forrest

    Alex Forrest Banned Member

    Poor poor Fumie. I used to laugh at her skating. Didn't she attempt a forward inside layback?!?!?!? It was as ugly as it sounds. She'd have the worst choreo (to Lori NICHOL!!!), like even Lori couldn't work her magic on poor old Fumie. But she had amazing bows. I remember a Japanese broadcast where the announcers were saying you can tell she is an artist by her dramatic bows. COUGH. Unfortunately if she put half into her choreography during the program than she did during her bows, maybe her Swan Lake would have read. So I'd always joke with friends about Fumie that she sucks but she gives SERIOUS BOW. She's got the eyebrow lift, that look of 'suffering for my artistry' when she's bowing after a two triple performance. Not a fan, never was. She could never even straighten her knee let alone her ankle. She flutzed, she had almost zero flexibility. Come on. I'm not trying to be critical, but let's get real with her.
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2012
  10. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    If that's you not trying to be critical, I'd hate to see what you're like when you are...
  11. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    As long as "poor Fumie" loves what she does, I don't think she's poor at all. Certainly not as poor as those who get their jollies from sneering at others.
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  12. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    That is why I admire her though. Her skating was full of flaws, and while she had some things she was very good at, she didnt stand out from the rest even in any of her strengths. She also skated in a tough era with Kwan, Cohen, Slutskaya, Hughes, Arakawa, all peaking in her best years. She had something like a 0-20 head to head with Michelle Kwan. Yet despite all that mostly through massive determination and consistency she managed 3 World medals, a Grand Prix final title, and two top 5 Olympic finishes. Given her marginal talent level (for the very elite standard) that is really quite amazing, and I for one always admire overachievers like Suguri, Maria Butyrakaya, Sarah Hughes, Jennifer Robinson, Elena Liashenko, most of all much of the time.

    Alas her determation which led her to her fine overachieving career, is now leading her down an increasingly turbulent and now borderline self sabatoging path. It is one thing to skate for the love of it, but to be a regional level skater at this point and be talking about the Olympics, and talks a few years ago she had bankrupted her dad to keep skating, and passed up on a potentially fine and lucrative show career just for this........It is sad to be honest, no other way to look at it.
  13. PeterG

    PeterG Well-Known Member

    The dishing it out part you certainly can do.
  14. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    Yes, it was during one of those seasons in which she attempted a back layback (spinning on the other foot). And just for your information, Suzuki and Takahashi have also attempted layback with a change of edge (forward outside layback). It's one of the only ways one can achieve a level 4 layback without the Biellmann.

    Some of her earlier programs were wonderful. Her Moonlight Sonata and Carmen Suite were stunning.

    All true. But she was never supposed to be a Cohen. Just like you wouldn't pick on Yoshie Onda's foot position. She was always going to be half Kwan and half Slutskaya. This was how she rose to the podium. She couldn't out-Kwan Kwan and couldn't out-Skutskaya Skutslaya, so she out-Slutskaya-ed Kwan with her spins and out-Kwan-ed Slutskaya with presentation.
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  15. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Well she obviously wasnt that successful doing this. She never once beat Kwan, and the only time she beat Slutskaya was the 04 Worlds when she was 7th and a very ill Slutskaya was 8th if that even counts as anything. Arakawa is a better example of someone who was successful doing that, hence why she beat Slutskaya, Kwan, and Cohen to win major titles, something Fumie could never do.
  16. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Suguri may not have been able to beat Kwan or Slutskaya (other than 2004), but she has beaten Cohen and Arakawa numerous times who in turn have beaten Kwan and Slutskaya.
  17. rayhaneh

    rayhaneh Well-Known Member

    Can I use my steel-enhanced stilettos heels too? :D

    You killjoy! :lynch:

    Really, how about letting people have their fun? Even if that means going all judgmental and insulting for no good reason :lol:

    Somehow, going through this thread feels a bit like I imagine watching a person executed by guillotine must have been, with the little old ladies sitting all day nearby gossiping and enjoying the blood all while continuing their knitting.....
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  18. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Well everyone has beaten Arakawa. Jenny Kirk has a winning career head to head with Arakawa I believe. She was a journeywomen most of her career, but she still has those 2 big titles.
  19. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    Arakawa was a full-time student at a tough private university for much of her later skating career, and, like Sebestyen, was rarely given credit for the quality and power of her jumps.

    She came through when Kwan, Cohen, and Slutskaya faltered. There was no less pressure on her in Torino; she was in a virtual tie with Cohen and Slutskaya after the SP, and Japan had yet to win a medal; it was all on her shoulders. :glamor: ruled!
  20. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    I wasn't saying Suguri was on par with Kwan and Slutskaya. Far from it. I was saying that's how she made herself competitive. She had a bit of Kwan and Slutskaya in her - and that was enough to win her medals at Worlds and win a couple of 4CC titles and GPF (once). Domestically she was more graceful than the likes of Onda and Ando but was more reliable than the likes of Ota. Let's face it. Making it out of Japan was hard enough.
  21. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    Well Arakawa and Suguri were within range for an Olympic MEDAL and I think honestly that's what Japan was aiming for. A medal, not the title. They got lucky however that both Cohen and Slutskaya made mistakes. With similar jumping content, it's also a testament to Arakawa's superiority to Suguri that Arakawa could win it but Suguri still had to settle for 4th behind the other 2 mistakes-ridden medallists.
  22. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member


    :eek: :eek:
  23. lowtherlore

    lowtherlore New Member

    Of all the statements made in this thread, that would hurt the most. But I think it&#8217;s true. Arakawa was a contender despite her oft-journeyman career; she never was. Her commitment to skating is admirable, but I want to see her move on.
  24. Jeschke

    Jeschke #teamtrainwreck #teamschott

    i know you spoke afterwards pro arakawa, but please, that sounds like arakawa just won because the others totally crashed.
    arakwa was in almost a tie with cohen and slutskaya after the sp, and there, all of them skated clean.

    in fs she made a mistake too (double loop) and won despite that and not only because she had luck that all the others failed.
  25. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    She was conservative and didn't even go for a 3/3 despite skating first out of all 3. I don't think she was going all out to WIN. I feel she was happy to settle for bronze and didn't really feel she could go higher. It totally worked out that she won but if either Cohen or Slutskaya had skated like they normally did she probably wouldn't have won.
  26. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    ^ You can say the same thing about her 2004 Worlds win too. Arakawa gave a brilliant performance (her career best IMO) but had Cohen skated better in the LP or had Kwan placed higher in the QR and SP, then things may have turned out differently for Arakawa looking at the judges' ordinals.

    I'm very happy that Arakawa won the Olympics and I found her to be almost a combination of both Cohen and Slutskaya, but I found her actual performances to be boring. Sometimes I think I like the idea of Arakawa being an Olympic champion more than I like her actual skate in Torino. I mean her SP was serviceable, but nothing about the choreography or musical interpretation or performance stood out other than me being surprised how well her lame LP that season adapted into a SP. Then there was her third time using Turandot but this time in an inferior version to her 2004 choreography skated much slower with four donut spins. It seems like Arakawa only won something internationally when she skated to Turandot (except that one time she won the NHK with Tarasova's jumbled Romeo and Juliet).
  27. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

    I thought the order was Cohen, then Arakawa, and then Slutskaya, wasn't it? Regardless, I do agree Shizuka skated conservatively and left out the 3-3's she was trying on practice sessions.
  28. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    Pretty sure I remember it being Cohen-Arakawa-Slute as well.
  29. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

  30. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

    I think people are talking about skate order for the LP rather than positions after the SP, hence Arakawa skating conservatively with Slutskaya left to skate, she was aiming for a medal rather than the gold.