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From Russia With Love - 3

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Eislauffan, Jan 23, 2011.

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  1. IRIS1975

    IRIS1975 New Member

    Very beautiful. By the way the choreographer ob this program is Nikolai Morozov.
  2. dinakt

    dinakt Well-Known Member

    Wow, thank you for posting! Gorgeous. Some of the moves towards the end are lovely and original; love how the final lift is approached, and all the variations of the death spiral.
  3. senorita

    senorita New Member

  4. Hedwig

    Hedwig WoolSilk Fanatic

    Are there any news on Grigoriev? I think he could be a truly outstanding skater if he wasn't barred by all these injuries. :(
    Is he still considering to retire? :wuzrobbed
  5. rfisher

    rfisher Will you rise like a phoenix or be a burnt chicken

    :swoon: Thank you. I can't wait to see what they can do by 2014.
  6. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    I just love how Tatiana is so sturdy on the jumps, yet so light in the air on the lifts. :swoon: He's not bad either. ;)

    Their taste in music is reallllllllly boring though.
  7. Fashionista

    Fashionista New Member

    No, this number was choreographed by Zhulin. The other one which they skated at Russian Nationals was choreographed by N. Morozov.

    It's not their choice. That was obligatory music given to them by those who organized the event. AFAIK it was sung live.
  8. IRIS1975

    IRIS1975 New Member

  9. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

    I bet Maxim was delighted to skate to lyrical snot again.
  10. let`s talk

    let`s talk Banned Member

    I have read on Simonenko's blog (RIA Novosti) this stuff:

    "The Story Of One Disaster.

    When Menshov was skating his SP in Bern, Tarasova came to see it. She was sitting in the second row right after the place where sporstmen were going into the rink. The security guard tried to make Tarasova leave the place but she didn't let him do that.

    "Kostya, I am here, with you."- those were the first words that Menshov heard when he went for the 6min warm-up.

    "Kostya, move your arms, move it!"- shouted Tarasova after Menshov landed the first jump in warm-up.

    "Stay calm, don't be afraid."- he heard next time.

    "Go and rest. Then come back and do everything again. It won't be easy, Kostya!"- she said when Menshov and Rukavitsyn was leaving the ice after the warm-up.

    During all the season Menshov was working with a psycologist, the professor Gorbunov. Rukavitsyn himself read tons of books in order to understand how he can help the guy to deal with psycological pressure. Finally, this season Menshov made the first great success in his career- he became the champion of Russia.

    The preparation for Euros in Bern, the main competition in the skater's career, was done according to the strict plan (* I read in one of Menshov's interview that Rukavistyn, for example, deliberately was "making noise" to copy the crowds during Menshov's skating (Menshov didn't have enough international experience)- LT). In Bern, during the official trainings, Menshov, who was in the excellent sport form, didn't fail any quad and landed all of them.

    His 14th place in SP was a disaster. The sportsman couldn't explain what happened with him. He was absolutely ready for Euros.

    During Gachinski's skating Tarasova wasn't there."

    I tried to read between the lines. It looks like the journalist wants to say that Menshov didn't have any psycological or physical reasons to skate the way he did in SP. But unexpected interference of Tarasova damaged his mood, somehow.

    What is it? Is it the journalist's biased opinion, or there are some reasonable grounds? If it is the first case, I let the journalist think what he wishes. But if it is the second case, I think the Federation and Gorshkov should do something, like to talk to Tarasova in order to prevent such accidents in the future. I can understand perfectly well that when a coach who is not THE coach starts shouting his/her stuff, the sportsman might feel uncomfortable.

    Ref. to Simonenko's blog:
  11. let`s talk

    let`s talk Banned Member

  12. Nan

    Nan Just me, retired

    Beautiful! Thank you. :)
  13. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    Let's talk - based on what that article says, Tarasova's behaviour sounds way too intrusive and surely did more harm than good.... :scream:
  14. Cloudy_Gumdrops

    Cloudy_Gumdrops New Member

    Gorgeous program.

    Nice to know Morozov actually can choreograph something decent every once in a while.
  15. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    The one thing Menshov wasn't preparing for. Tarasova trying to be helpful by shouting things at him! Oh well.
  16. Fashionista

    Fashionista New Member

  17. Fashionista

    Fashionista New Member

  18. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

    Ooooh, well, not terribly surprising about M/T, though it is a shame. I can't open the link - are they continuing with other partners or quitting competitive skating?
  19. Hedwig

    Hedwig WoolSilk Fanatic

    the article says that they are stopping completely and they say the lack of funding is the reason.

    Well, that is the reason they give. ;)
  20. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

    :fragile: I tought they were very well-matched and could have done well. Maybe we can get either Jerome or Yannick Kocon to skate with Joanna Sulej now that they're both partner-less.
  21. Kasey

    Kasey Correcting President Trump's grammar on Twitter :)

    Not surprising, but a shame. They looked beautiful together, but I don't think would have been able to compete with the top Russian pairs teams over the next few years; the programs are just too empty, and Vassiliev is not famous for his choreographical brilliance. It's a shame they didn't look into competing for France (or she wasn't releasable, whatever), as they could have at least had success there, and had the ability to still compete internationally.
  22. escaflowne9282

    escaflowne9282 Reformed Manspreader

    Dammit, I really loved Blanchard's skating. Maybe he can team up with James and skate for France?
  23. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Too bad, I don't buy the reason; I think Maria was just too impatient to give the partnership time to grow.
  24. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    Yes please, we'd happily take either!

    I think Vasiliev was the impatient one.

    Tarasova was spot on when totally slating him after the FS at Nats. That's exactly what happens when you don't appreciate what you got and always look for problems.
  25. Fashionista

    Fashionista New Member

  26. easilydistracte

    easilydistracte Geezette

    I used Google Translate to read the interview, so not sure if I got the meaning correct, but it seemed as if Vasiliev suggested that they were kind of taking a time-out and were going to decide at the end of February whether to continue or not? The main problem seems to be lack of funding because of their low placement at Nationals? It also seems as if Vasiliev said that their skating for France wouldn't have helped them improve as a pair because improvement only comes through having to compete against top teams (and France doesn't have any, I guess is the implication?).

    What a shame--I thought they were so elegant together and had a lot of potential. :(
  27. Perky Shae Lynn

    Perky Shae Lynn Well-Known Member

    I don't think M&B are done - I believe it's a ploy by Vassiliev to get more support from the Russian federation. I do not like Vassiliev, and the dislike goes all the way back to his competitive days. Good for Valova for getting away from him...

    The exhibition by Tanya & Max proves once again that he is not good enough for her. :shuffle: Then again, nobody probably is.
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  28. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    I don't understand where the really bad skaters are getting their money from? I hate to drop names but skaters like Ozerova and Golubev. I know Maria would never leave Oleg but I think that would be the best thing for her. She needs to go to Moskvina and skate with Bezmaternikh, or is she too tall?
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  30. loopey

    loopey Well-Known Member

    When I first heard the rumors that I/M were going to Vasiliev, the first thing my suspicious little mind thought was that he needed/wanted some of that funding and attention that I/M would bring to his team. I was worried for I/M. Now if M/B split, I will be even more worried for I/M. Just how powerful a politiker is Vasiliev? If I had to pick, I would say I/M or S/K would be his targets.
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