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From Russia With Love - 2011/12 Season 2

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Eislauffan, Dec 30, 2011.

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  1. Eislauffan

    Eislauffan Well-Known Member

    Lets continue our discussion about the Russiam skaters in this new thread. :)
  2. Yukari Lepisto

    Yukari Lepisto Active Member

  3. sandra_persch

    sandra_persch Well-Known Member

  4. Yukari Lepisto

    Yukari Lepisto Active Member

  5. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    I google translated them.

    The Russian one http://sport.rambler.ru/news/figureskating/592004711.html says that Plushenko is not eligible to compete due to not having the minimum score, but that Gorshkov plans to ask for an exception.

    The German one http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/30122011/73/pluschenko-darf-em-starten.html says that Plushenko was granted the exception despite lacking the minimum score. So the articles don't contradict. This one has a quote from Mishin saying Plush and the ISU need each other.

    Here's an English one http://rt.com/sport/pluschenko-figure-skating-isu-sheffield-european-017/ also saying that Plush got the exemption, with a quote from Gorshkov explaining why Plush deserved it.

    But absent from all these articles is a quote from an ISU rep or an official ISU communication. It could very well be that someone mistook Gorshkov or Mishin's comments as saying that the ISU granted the request, and that the other news organizations are running with that. I would rather wait for confirmation from the ISU.
  6. Eislauffan

    Eislauffan Well-Known Member

    The Russian Federation said that they have contacted the ISU and asked for permission on Wednesday. I highly doubt that the ISU has already given an official answer to the Russian Federation as we are in the holiday season. I assume that the ISU council will have to discuss this matter and they probably have a telephone conference or something like this. Therefore I think that the decision will be made only next week after New Year.
  7. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    The comment of Cinquanta that he should was taken as an ISU ruling to me in some articles which is not the same.
  8. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Cinquanta said yes but he also said that the ISU committee will have to vote on it.
  9. Nomad

    Nomad Celebrity cheese-monger

    I can't imagine them voting against. Piseev would get mad and have one of his minions type really hard at them.
  10. Maofan7

    Maofan7 Member

  11. MissIzzy

    MissIzzy Active Member

    :COP: And that article's from the 30th too and doesn't have an exact quote for what Gorshkov said...ARGH! Is he actually officially cleared here or not? What am I supposed to put on the weekly newsvid here? If these entitled athletic peoples are going to be insisting on being above the rules, the least they can do is not confuse us as to their exact status! :mad::scream::yikes::angryfire :wuzrobbed :drama: :wall::wall::wall:
  12. Eislauffan

    Eislauffan Well-Known Member

    I contacted the ISU but their office was closed today. Hopefully there will be an answer tomorrow!
  13. senorita

    senorita New Member

    ^ thank you:)
  14. Eislauffan

    Eislauffan Well-Known Member

    The ISU office confirmed today to me that the ISU council has discussed the case and decided to grand Evgeni Plushenko an exception so that he can compete at Euros.
  15. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Thank you Eislauf fan! That's a great news!
  16. Maofan7

    Maofan7 Member

    Tremendous news. Thanks Eislauffan.

    I didn't think all those reports could have been wrong or there would have been a lot of egg on a lot of journalists faces.
  17. oubik

    oubik Well-Known Member

    It was just published on ISU site as expected:

    Evgeny Plushenko to compete at ISU European Figure Skating Championships 2012
    03 January 2012
    The ISU received a specific request from the Figure Skating Federation of Russia pointing out that the skater Evgeny Plushenko was unable, for different reasons, to obtain the required minimum score in an International Competition during the ongoing and past season. Based on this request and also noting that Evgeny Plushenko has recently returned to competitive skating by winning the Russian National Championships at the end of December 2011, the ISU Council exceptionally agreed to accept the entry of Evgeny Plushenko into the ISU European Figure Skating Championships 2012 in Sheffield/Great Britain. This exceptional decision is valid for the ISU European Figure Skating Championships 2012 only.
  18. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C


    It means he won't be allowed to compete at worlds- am I correct?

    It will be interesting to see how he stacks up against the young European skaters like Fermandez.
  19. Andrey aka Pushkin

    Andrey aka Pushkin Brezina's Nemesis

    Well, with some luck he'll be able to get the required minimum during the Europeans. Although, I'd be endlessly amused, and would see the greater justice if he didn't.

    ISU :rolleyes:
    What a bunch of clowns.
  20. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

    Thank you! Great news!
  21. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    I bet he could do it with only one skate on.

    The minimum rule is a joke for skaters of his his caliber; I hope it's changed by the time skaters like Kim, Rochette and Pang and Tong want to come back.


    Good job ISU, now amend your stupid rule.
  22. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

    No, just that the exception is only valid for Euros. Should he not make the minimum (which, obviously, he will), he won't be eligible for Worlds.

    I do hope they amend the rule in the future as opposed to grant exemptions, however.
  23. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

    Knowing that he was coming back for Nationals and would (presumably) be top 2 there, why didn't the Russian Fed. assign Plushenko to a Sr. B event this fall/winter so he could obtain the minimum score requirements there?

    I agree that a skater of his caliber should be allowed to compete at Euros & Worlds, but why not at least try to play by the ISU rules?
  24. dinakt

    dinakt Well-Known Member

    It is my understanding that Plushenko was pretty seriously injured throughout the fall and came to compete at the Nationals with minimal training.
  25. allezfred

    allezfred Master/Mistress of Sneer Staff Member

    I imagine this will improve attendance for the men's qualifying rounds in Sheffield. :lol:
  26. rfisher

    rfisher Will you rise like a phoenix or be a burnt chicken

    Which probably factored into the decision. I'm quite certain the European Championship organizers would have been much more distressed by his not being there than wanting to adhere to lofty principles. :lol:

    I wouldn't be surprised for Plushenko to skip worlds this year (much as I'd like to see him beat Chan), but he'll have the scores from Europeans to make him eligible next year when he will want to compete prior to the Olympic season. This will allow him to compete at crucial events and save his knees for those.

    Breznia and Fernandez are his major competitors at Europeans unless Joubert comes out blazing and well rested. Which speaks volumes about the state of men's skating in Europe.
  27. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Didn't he undergo two surgeries (one of them major) this season and was rehabbing most of the time? He did not even start skating/training until very recently, from what I read. It was amazing that he was able to land the quad and 3A.
  28. ItalianFan

    ItalianFan Active Member


    don't I wish...
  29. Nan

    Nan Just me, retired

    You think part of Mishin's "plan" is for Plushenko NOT to face Chan this year?
  30. rfisher

    rfisher Will you rise like a phoenix or be a burnt chicken

    :lol: I don't think it has anything to do with Chan. If I were his coach and the Russian Fed, I wouldn't worry about 2012 Worlds championship. They are focused on Sochi. I'd save his knees for when it really matters. A World's championship doesn't. I think he's planning on another arthroscopy after Europeans in any event.
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