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Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by SamuraiK, Jul 27, 2012.

Who is the weakest link among these past champions

Poll closed Jul 30, 2012.
  1. Grishuk & Platov

    28 vote(s)
  2. Krylova & Ovsiannikov

    69 vote(s)
  3. Anissina & Peizerat

    82 vote(s)
  1. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

    Lovey dovey definetly is not FSU favorite style..

    4TH PLACE: VIRTUE & MOIR (46.51% of votes)


    01. Oksana Grishuk & Evgeny Platov - RUS - 1994,1995,1996 & 1997 Worlds and 1994 & 1998 Olympic Champions.
    02. Angelica Krylova & Oleg Ovsiannikov - RUS - 1998 and 1999 World Champions.
    03. Marina Anissina & Gwendal Peizerat - FRA - 2000 World and 2002 Olympic Champions.

    Already eliminated:
    05th Place: Navka & Kostomarov (51.45% votes)
    06th Place: Denkova & Staviski (38.53% votes)
    07th Place: Davis & White (39.29% votes)
    08th Place: Delobel & Schoenfelder (37.45% votes)
    09th Place: Bourne & Kraatz (41.85% votes)
    10th Place: Lobacheva & Averbukh (46.60% votes)
    11th Place: Domnina & Shabalin (29.65% votes)
    12th Place: Fusar-Poli & Margaglio (48.77% votes)

    Who gets the BRONZE.. YOU DECIDE.
  2. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

    K&O for me. I love voidiness more than anything in dance but Carmen and the african drums FS were artsy just for the sake of it and felt shallow and freaky instead.
  3. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    I voted G&P. Sorry but I really hated her skinny legs and big feet. And that crap Latin FD.
  4. DaiKozOda

    DaiKozOda Active Member

    My vote goes for Anissina & Peizerat. Yes, they were great performers but in my eyes K&O and G&P were a bit better.
    This is the main reason why I'm voting for them now:

    Here are some links for those who would like to watch a few performances by K&O throughout their career and check how versatile they were. http://www.magiageladapatinagememportugues.blogspot.pt/2012/06/perfil-krylova-ovsyannikov.html
  5. DaiKozOda

    DaiKozOda Active Member

    Well, I love those FDs. The african drums one was really exciting for me and showed a totally different side of them. It also set quite a contrast to the OD they had for that season cause it was all classical.
  6. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

  7. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    K&O are my personal favourites, but I had to vote for them because they weren't around for that long (I know it wasn't their FAULT but still), and they have no OGM like the other two teams. Also, "Libertas" was a masterpiece. I'm almost considering voting for A&P to win the whole thing.
  8. gingercrush

    gingercrush Well-Known Member

    Anissina & Peizeret need to go go go go go go.
  9. sykr

    sykr Guest

    I think it's clear you hate them, you write the same thing for 10th time already? Maybe give some reason? :rolleyes:

    I feel I need to do a save Marina and Gwendal campaign now.

    First of all, I can't let K/O beat them again. I still find it :mad: they lost in Helsinki. Artistical side is subjective for sur but really, what's more technical and difficult about K/O's FD than MITIM? There's one good lift and one ok step sequence at the end, but apart from that? There are many steps, but basic ones, even my mum, who was just a local skater 30 years ago can repet them today (not so perfectly, but she can without big problem). There's a lot of hands work and crazy facial expessions going on, but nothing more :yikes: It's a nice experiment, which looks difficult and it's well done, but if you look what they really do, there's not much going on. A/P showed some great deep edges at the begining, great step seequence at the end, cool lifts and even some sort of twizzles. And all in all, I find A/P's expession :swoon: and not at all OTT as it's K/O's case, just compare the original dances from the same season.

    Also, I remember there were some protests from the French federation, I don't remember exactly what was it as I was small at time, but I have impression there should be some influencing from the main judge to change marks of free dance so that K/O win :rolleyes::( Anyone remembers what exactely it was ?

    People can say A/P weren't really a dominant team, which is partly true, but I think it's because they were incredibly underrated by the judges. They should have win 1999 and especially 2001 worlds imo. I'm quite sur if it wasn't first Russian and then Italian team, they would never beat A/P. Also, one thing is interesting. Always, when A/P lost by 5/4 split, there wasn't French judge but there was their competitor's judge . If in Helsinki, there was French instead of Russian, they'd win. If in Vancouver there was French, they'd win, if in SLC there was french judge, it wouldn't be 5/4 but 6/3. I know it's just a speculation, but I find it really interesting there was never French judge on A/P's most important starts. ;)

    Then some more arguments for A/P....they had some really great and innovative lifts...not only reversed lifts, but also this one or this comes to my mind first.

    They were wonderful not only in dramatical, but also lyrical and romantical http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtS5MQvRi44 or fast and funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLHEBOrl7MI (btw. don't tell me they were weak technicaly when they were able to skate this OD or this CD that great) and they were able to make a very hot and sexy and passionate dance even form the compulsories http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et-qYQg16d0.

    They knew to make fun from themselfs, which is imo very important. There's Susana of course, but also this and I love especially their Yellow submarine.

    And the last point...they had imo great taste for costumes (with some small exceptions:D) and it's actually Anissina who started with the headbands and other sorts of head decorations :respec: look here here here this one is particularly interesting I can't forget this or this and all in all their hair is simply:swoon:
    Cherub721 and (deleted member) like this.
  10. gingercrush

    gingercrush Well-Known Member

    I know I've been a repetitive arse. Honestly I just find them overrated and when people say K&O were voidy. Reverse lifts are rather gimmicky o.o
  11. nuge

    nuge Well-Known Member

    The African Drums FD left me cold :cold:
    No doubt they skated it great but it just wasn't my cup of tea.On the other hand A/P MITIM gives me goose bumps even now that lift where he's on her knees in the split :kickass:A/P should have won that year IMO.
    I also loved A/P SATB OD it was sublime .
    The only dance I really liked of K/O was the 98 Jive it was even better than G/P :kickass:
    So sorry it's K/O to go .
  12. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    I disagree with you on their MLK program. I thought it was good but would be easily beaten by Memorial or most of the other Olympic gold free dances.
  13. crankyintheAM

    crankyintheAM Member

    Marina and Gwendal made me love ice dancing. I started watching "older" pairs and following the discipline because of them.
  14. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    Wow, dead heat between A&P and K&O now.
  15. DaiKozOda

    DaiKozOda Active Member

    In the FD dance it was a close call between A&P and K&O. Still, K&O totally dominated the two compulsory dances with A&P lying in third behind B&K after the first compulsory.
  16. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    I honestly didn't like Man In The Iron Mask from A&P.. or R&J.. or Carmina Burana.. I didn't like anything of theirs until the Beethoven's Last Night FD. I think they were vastly improved in 2001 and 2002. I agree with K&O's win at the '99 Worlds. The African program, while not my favourite one of theirs (that would be the Carmen FD), was very well skated.
  17. Tak

    Tak Well-Known Member

    Did you see the original version of this? Probably from Trophy Lalique [I think that's where they debuted this program]. That version was definitely a masterpiece IMO. VERY different, VERY modern dance - on the floor it could have been something I'd see in a dance troupe - I dont know how many other FD I could say that about.

    What I read at the time was the French Fed was all kinds of nervous for Olympic year [just like with the Duchesnays] and kept tinkering away with the program, making them change it, going back to the familiar - until by the end of the season, we got the Olympic version, which looked more like a FD and less like a modern dance piece - and had far less artistic cohesion.

    I still like the Olympic version - but maybe that's because you could still see glimpses of the brilliant original shining through at times.

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

  19. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    A&P butchered their Olympic FD after that ridiculous loss to B&K at the GPF. They took all the most intricate and interesting parts out and replaced them more "Ta-da!" moments, including the ending.
  20. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    The program itself was better at Lalique (I don't remember ever seeing it, probably didn't watch Lalique that year as I didn't have cable in '02), but I think they skated better at the Olympics, which makes sense since it was later in the season and it was an easier version of the program I guess.
  21. zilam98

    zilam98 Well-Known Member

    i love a/p but i think after 2000, they tended to debut more difficult choreography early in the season, only to streamline the programs with familiar elements later in the season. such was the case of BLN and liberta. i still want k/o voted off since i really love a/p's style of skating.
  22. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    A&P are my favorite pairs team ever, so I voted K&O.
  23. sykr

    sykr Guest

    It's true, even if I don't think they changed BLN so much, actually it was more their OD they changed a lot. And it's a shame because I often liked the original versions more. OTOH I understand that strategy, because when you try something difficult and have problems with it and judges don't pay attention to the difficulty of the choreography and at the same time, your competitor does something so easy and beats you, then changing your program and make it easier to skate it clean is logical.... Personally I prefer the first version of Liberta, but I like the changes in BLN and all in all, BLN is probably my favourite free dance of theirs:)
  24. nuge

    nuge Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't say it was a fav FD of theirs for me ' but I did like BLN except for the awful lift in the middle where Gwendal leans on Marina's knees :shuffle: Nice gold costumes though and they skated it great after the disaster at Euros:)