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Favorite Junior Ladies World Champ with Less Senior Success

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by TheIronLady, Jun 8, 2013.

Who is your favorite junior ladies world champion who had less senior success?

  1. Elena Ivanova

    2 vote(s)
  2. Sydne Vogel

    2 vote(s)
  3. Daria Timoshenko

    1 vote(s)
  4. Jennifer Kirk

    26 vote(s)
  5. Kristina Oblasova

    1 vote(s)
  6. Ann Patrice McDonough

    7 vote(s)
  7. Yukina Ota

    38 vote(s)
  8. Caroline Zhang

    17 vote(s)
  9. Rachael Flatt

    9 vote(s)
  1. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

    Several junior ladies world champions have failed to make similar impact in seniors. Puberty and other physical and psychological factors, including injuries and conflicting life obligations, can make seniors a different game. In some cases winning junior worlds is not an indicator of future competitive potential for other reasons, such as if rivals in the junior field have not made breakthroughs in consistency or style to the degree they soon will. Which of these champions is your favorite?

    I left off 1993 champ Kumiko Koiwai of Japan because nobody has heard of her. She qualifies based on her senior record, but no one voting will know her unless they go to YouTube.

    1996 Elena Ivanova
    Never went to senior worlds or Euros

    1997 Sydne Vogel
    Never went to senior worlds

    1999 Daria Timoshenko
    Best senior worlds: 29th (2004)
    Best Euros: 8th (2005)

    2000 Jennifer Kirk
    Best senior worlds: 17th (2005)
    Best 4CC: Gold (2002)

    2001 Kristina Oblasova
    Never went to senior worlds
    Best Euros: 16th (2004)

    2002 Ann Patrice McDonough
    Never went to senior worlds
    Best 4CC: 4th (2003)

    2003 Yukina Ota
    Never went to senior worlds
    Best 4CC: Gold (2004)

    2007 Caroline Zhang
    Never went to senior worlds
    Best 4CC: Bronze (2010 & 2012)

    2008 Rachael Flat
    Best senior worlds: 5th (2009)
    Olympics 7th (2010)
    Best 4CC: 4th (2011)
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  2. RFOS

    RFOS Well-Known Member

  3. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

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  4. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

    Donno about them! :D Why not link them to their you-tube JWC skates (if any).
  5. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

    Does anyone have videos from 2008 Junior Worlds?????
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  6. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    It's strange that the most successful juniors often aren't the most successful seniors. You'd think more junior world champions would actually be able to ATTEND senior worlds. I guess they peak too early? Anyway, voted for Jennifer Kirk. I miss her.
  7. rosewood

    rosewood Well-Known Member

  8. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

    I agree about Ota, but her jumps were impossible obstacles in the current era. She needed some muscle, and she had none. She was not blessed with that gift, but the art of her actual skating was wonderful.
  9. Spazactaz

    Spazactaz New Member

    I've always been a huge fan of Caroline Zhang!
  10. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

    Caroline Zhang might have had more opportunities (perhaps in 2009 or 2012?) if other USA ladies hadn't thrown away the federation's potential spots at worlds.
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  11. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

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  12. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    Yukina Ota :(((((
  13. robinhood

    robinhood Active Member

    Yukina Ota was a gem. The crossovers, the ss, the fluidity of all her moooves, the musicality.. who cares about her underrotated jumps? Her layback was amazing as well
  14. miki88

    miki88 Active Member

    I loved her skating! Her Daphis et Chloe is one of my favorite long programs of all time. :)
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  15. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

    A lot of people have heard of her. She competed at Senior Worlds in 1995, finishing 16th. Her FS was especially memorable because she had a bad fall when attempting a double axel, and one of her blades cut her other leg quite deeply. She remained on the ice for a few seconds, then got up and completed her programme, by which time she was bleeding quite badly. She got a huge round of applause from the audience, and was then taken to hospital and had her wound stitched up.
  16. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    Lol flatt doesn't belong here
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  17. alchemy void

    alchemy void #VotePerkovaPOTS!

  18. alchemy void

    alchemy void #VotePerkovaPOTS!


    But Oblasova, by far, had the best off-ice antics and boy-crazy interviews
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  19. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

  20. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    From the list : Rachael Flatt. I don't know why, because I'm not particularly fond of her skating. But I was always touched by her dedication, positive energy... :)

    Laetitia Hubert was probably my favorite Junior World Champion to enver win a World medal.
  21. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

    I chose Yukina Ota. She might not have the best skating skills but I could watch her spin so elegantly and just glide across the ice all day long. There was something special in her.
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  22. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    I loved Yukina Ota! She flowed like water on the ice.
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  23. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

    Besides getting fatter, what held back Cindy Bortz? She seemed to decline in all areas of her skating from 1987 Jr Worlds to 1988 US Nationals.
  24. N_Halifax

    N_Halifax Well-Known Member

    My vote also goes to Laetitia. What a firecracker. It's a shame everyone always likes to point out her 1992 and 1998 Olympic free skate's as a means to talk her down. She was a total star!
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  25. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Nobody has that kind of fluidity without having great basic skating skills. Her problem was with the jumps.
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  26. TheIronLady

    TheIronLady Well-Known Member

    We use that prostitute on crack program as a means too.
  27. merrywidow

    merrywidow Well-Known Member

    I voted for Jenny Kirk too. She had some lovely performances as a Sr.
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  28. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

    1995 Worlds was the first (and last!) time I watched skating on Eurosport and I remember the second warm-up group with Koiwai & Simone Lang. Both of them had freaky falls (Lang on a 3sal 3 toe sequence set-up) and then Koiwai cut herself pretty badly. It was very strange to see those in the same group. Did Kumiko ever get the harder triples like flip and lutz?
  29. B.Cooper

    B.Cooper Active Member

    Just because it is an interesting topic...
    went to Wikipedia and pulled up the list of ladies medalists since the inception of World Jr Championships

    Year Location Gold Silver Bronze
    1976 France Megève : (1)United States Suzie Brasher (2) West Germany Garnet Ostermeier (3)United Kingdom Tracey Solomons
    1977 France Megève: (1) Canada Carolyn Skoczen (2) Austria Christa Jorda (3) Switzerland Corine Wyrsch
    1978 France Megève: (1) United States Jill Sawyer (2)Soviet Union Kira Ivanova (3) West Germany Petra Ernert
    1979 Germany Augsburg: (1) United States Elaine Zayak (2) West Germany Manuela Ruben (3)United States Jacki Farrell
    1980 France Megève: (1) United States Rosalynn Sumners (2) Canada Kay Thomson (3) East Germany Carola Paul
    1981 Canada London, Ontario: (1) United States Tiffany Chin (2)Soviet Union Marina Serova (3)Soviet Union Anna Antonova
    1982 Germany Oberstdorf: (1) East Germany Janina Wirth (2) West Germany Cornelia Tesch (3)Canada Elizabeth Manley
    1983 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Sarajevo: (1) East Germany Simone Koch (2)East Germany Karin Hendschke (3)Austria Parthena Sarafidis
    1984 Japan Sapporo: (1) East Germany Karin Hendschke (2) East Germany Simone Koch (3)Japan Midori Ito
    1985 United States Colorado Springs: (1) Soviet Union Tatiana Andreeva (2) West Germany Susanne Becher (3)Soviet Union Natalia Gorbenko
    1986 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Sarajevo: (1) Soviet Union Natalia Gorbenko (2) West Germany Susanne Becher (3)Canada Linda Florkevich
    1987 Canada Kitchener: (1) United States Cindy Bortz (2) West Germany Susanne Becher (3)Canada Shannon Allison
    1988 Australia Brisbane: (1) United States Kristi Yamaguchi (2)Japan Junko Yaginuma (3) Japan Yukiko Kashihara
    1989 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Sarajevo: (1) United States Jessica Mills (2)Japan Junko Yaginuma (3)France Surya Bonaly
    1990 United States Colorado Springs: (1) Japan Yuka Sato (2)France Surya Bonaly (3)East Germany Tanja Krienke
    1991 Hungary Budapest: (1) France Surya Bonaly (2) United States Lisa Ervin (3)China Chen Lu
    1992 Canada Hull: (1) France Laetitia Hubert (2) United States Lisa Ervin (3)China Chen Lu
    1993 South Korea Seoul: (1) Japan Kumiko Koiwai (2) United States Lisa Ervin (3)Germany Tanja Szewczenko
    1994 United States Colorado Springs: (1) United States Michelle Kwan (2) Hungary Krisztina Czakó (3)Russia Irina Slutskaya
    1995 Hungary Budapest: (1) Russia Irina Slutskaya (2) Russia Elena Ivanova (3)Hungary Krisztina Czakó
    1996 Australia Brisbane: (1) Russia Elena Ivanova (2) Russia Elena Pingacheva (3)Russia Nadezhda Kanaeva
    1997 South Korea Seoul: (1) United States Sydne Vogel (2) Russia Elena Sokolova (3)Russia Elena Ivanova
    1998 Canada Saint John: (1) Russia Julia Soldatova (2) Russia Elena Ivanova (3)Russia Viktoria Volchkova
    1999 Croatia Zagreb: (1) Russia Daria Timoshenko (2)United States Sarah Hughes (3)Russia Viktoria Volchkova
    2000 Germany Oberstdorf: (1) United States Jennifer Kirk (2) United States Deanna Stellato (3)Switzerland Sarah Meier
    2001 Bulgaria Sofia: (1) Russia Kristina Oblasova (2) United States Ann Patrice McDonough (3)Finland Susanna Pöykiö
    2002 Norway Hamar: (1) United States Ann Patrice McDonough (2) Japan Yukari Nakano (3)Japan Miki Ando
    2003 Czech Republic Ostrava: (1) Japan Yukina Ota (2) Japan Miki Ando Italy (3)Carolina Kostner
    2004 Netherlands The Hague: (1) Japan Miki Ando (2) United States Kimmie Meissner (3)United States Katy Taylor
    2005 Canada Kitchener: (1) Japan Mao Asada (2) South Korea Kim Yuna (3) United States Emily Hughes
    2006 Slovenia Ljubljana: (1) South Korea Kim Yuna (2) Japan Mao Asada (3)United States Christine Zukowski
    2007 Germany Oberstdorf: (1) United States Caroline Zhang (2) United States Mirai Nagasu (3) United States Ashley Wagner
    2008 Bulgaria Sofia: (1) United States Rachael Flatt (2) United States Caroline Zhang (3) United States Mirai Nagasu
    2009 Bulgaria Sofia: (1) Russia Alena Leonova (2) United States Caroline Zhang (3) United States Ashley Wagner
    2010 Netherlands The Hague: (1) Japan Kanako Murakami (2) United States Agnes Zawadzki (3) Russia Polina Agafonova
    2011 South Korea Gangneung: (1) Russia Adelina Sotnikova (2) Russia Elizaveta Tuktamysheva (3) United States Agnes Zawadzki
    2012 Belarus Minsk: (1) Russia Julia Lipnitskaia (2) United States Gracie Gold (3) Russia Adelina Sotnikova
    2013 Italy Milan: (1) Russia Elena Radionova (2) Russia Julia Lipnitskaia (3) Russia Anna Pogorilaya

    Interestingly...looking at legacy skaters....and if I was so inclined, I would figure out the ages of each competitor... ;-)
    Canada: Joannie Rochette competed at World Jrs in 2001 and 2002, finishing 8th and 5th
    USA: Michelle Kwan competed only once at WJrs in '94 and finished 1st
    USA: Sasha Cohen: competed only once, in 2000, finished 6th
    USA: Sarah Huges: '99, 2nd
    Italy: Kostner competed three times, in '01, '02 and '03, finishing 11th, 10th and 3rd
    Korea: Kim Yu Na: twice competed, '05 and '06, 2nd and 1st places
    Japan: Mao Asada: twice competed, '05 and '06, 1st and 2nd
    Japan: Miki Ando: '03, 04, 05....3rd, 2nd, 1st
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  30. Sedge

    Sedge Well-Known Member

    In complete agreement here....confidence to spare!
    She had the makings of a Lindsay Lohan compared to all the other young girls in the field.
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